Cure Neurotypicals?

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There is no cure for NT.

They do respond to training. Being more at home with machines, technology, which is to them what social is to us, for they cannot read the body language, intent, and hints that machines give, I have on many occasions taught them to think machine.

It just has to have some context for them. I have dealt with the worst, Housewives! Most was about computer problems, and I ask how often do they put out the garbage? They act offended, their usual state, and say they keep a clean house, then I show them the garbage on their computer, and how to put it out. Call me when you have a real problem. They do, and so do their friends.

Another had central air problems, it cost, several service calls, and still problems. She was desperate enough to understand how a flashlight works, and that there were only a few replaceable parts, she now keeps up her machine, and the electric bill is $100 a month lower.

We do good on the blocks test, much better at spatial relationships. They are better at talking soaps and sports. I find a lot of AS traits in mechanics, machine shops, repairing tech, and it takes one of us to keep a hundred of them running.

The problem I see is "Psychobabbling pill pushing priests of the psycho religion" They make money by defineing us as defective.

The truth is different skill sets. Savant skills are rare, but some skills, like the block test, show we have high skills in some places. If what we are good at was defined and developed, Applied AS, we would find we have a lot in common, in a different mental space from NT's. Our gamuts overlap.

AS traits are valued. BMW has a motorcycle mechanic traing program, worldwide. They are big on factory training. After the local course, some are taken for further training to the factory in Germany. It is way more than any other company does. They do want good service for their products, but it is fishing, they are seeking the naturally gifted in mechanics, natural engineers, people worth lifetime training, and employment with Benz Aireospace.

They see that education does not produce understanding, and they want people who can think in machines. School Engineers wait for a problem, then solve it. Naturals spot the problem before it happens. When the problem is passenger planes that crash, who do you want around?

AS is an undefined undeveloped skill set. The same testing as the Dx, Defective Unit, has another side, Super Functional. We do have a lot in common. There is range, as would be expected in any group of humans, but some things we are the same.

When I first came here I compared it to life in a VHF world, then discovering a UHF world where suddenly I understood everything, for once it came in clear. I still think that is true. Different, not defective.

Where do we go from here? Self define around our abilities, develop those skills that some of us have found work. There are a lot of us in IT. We used to work in the back of a shop, mechanics, machineists, but IT brought us into groups. Music and the arts seem well populated. Another place where obsessive loners do well.

In the new world of technology, the last decade, our machines have replaced the need for people in many things. Lights out manufacturing, automated from input through manufacturing, packing, warehouse, to pulling the order and loading the truck.

The only need for humans is to design the system, keep it running, and the creative end of developing new products, and marketing them.

These are all AS skills. IT brought us together, and in a few decades changed the world. No one debates the effect of AS thinking in IT. This thing is just starting.

WP took three years to reach 7000, will triple in year four, plot that curve. What will 100,000 isolated loner Aspies be like, as a group? There are millions just in the US, maybe five to ten million worldwide, and a bunch of Half-Aspies. We have something very strong in common.

I am now working with a group of people I met on WP. We work well together. I have never seen them, but it works, for we share a common thought pattern. We fit in better than we ever fit anywhere else. The group is growing, and so is the income.

In another early post I said, you are all perfect parts of some machine. I do not know what the machine is, but with these parts it will be great. Since then 10,000 replicant pieces have shown up. They are fitting together and making things. I still do not know what, but assembly is happening rapidly.

I think the world needs both aspies and NT's.

I mean, there are some jobs that aspies may not be best at, and some NT's may not flourish in.

Idk, might be cool to have everybody autistic, might be fun. I don't think i would cure all neurotypicals though, just the ones who think autistics should be cured. I think we should turn them into autistics, see how it feels to hear the word cure constantly! My bf i would love to make autie for a couple mins, but then back to NT, it would be too complicated if he was autie as well hahaha.

No - both have their functions in the world (like worker bees & drones - same species, but different abilities & functions - and both have their place).

You want empathy? You need to give it in return. Regardless of who you are or what challenges you face, that's just a fact. Instead of resenting others for their inability to understand us, we should work to become better human beings.

Goche21, you are the voice of reason in this thread. I salute you!

I think a bit of balance is needed.

I think it would be a big shame, and unwanted, to change all AS people into NTs.

I think there are a lot of AS people who would like to learn adaptive skills, but want to retain their AS mind and way of being.

Similarly, NT people would not want to be changed into ASD.

I think the best thing is information: Inform ASD people and NT people about how the other world works and then the gap can be bridged.

I think that if ASD people want to "blend" into the NT world then that is a valid choice,
But if other ASD people dont want to "blend" so much, this should also be respected.

I dont think the NT model should be held up as the ultimate ideal, anyway. There are merits in both social systems.

I think that each person should embrace individual differences, and try to live together, as one. We all have a purpose, ASD, or NT.

Are you saying I don't have empathy? I don't understand if you're insulting me or just trying to make a point.

Well the Aspie-only room at my college isn't exactly a utopia, and there are some NTs that I like alot more than some Aspies (and I have an NT twin brother), so at least on a personal/social level, no I won't want that to happen. As for the big picture of things, the world needs a balance of extroverts and introverts.

[sarcasm] Hmm... maybe set up re-education camps or "further information centres"; sorting out the ignorant NTs from the decent NTs. After being re-educated, the NTs may be released into our Aspie dominated society. After a long probation period, the NTs will be allowed to take their badges off. That idea is a little extreme? Well at least it's not trying to "cure" people like Autism Speaks wants. I haven’t been playing too much Dawn of War: Dark Crusade, honest! [/sarcasm]

Then put him in his place and ask him why he uses those words. Find out if he has a prejudice.

Everyone being the same would be boring. NTs don't have the right to force a cure on us, nor do we have the right to force a cure on them. Different talents, different perspectives, different interests help to balance out human abilities and make the world a better place.

Ok, to clarify: This was a theoretical question, I was not saying NTs SHOULD be aspies, I was saying what if they WERE. I was not trying to suggest we should find some way to convert NTs to aspies, just hoping for some opinions on what an aspie-only society would be like.

NTs will always be with us topic

If an asteroid hit the earth, destroying all the NTs, we Aspies would unfortunately have to invent them.

Something tells me that simple procreation would do that anyway. Of course without knowing how the gene interactions work, I'm simply speculating.

True there is no cure for "NTism", but but when you think how well adapted we are to the modren world, and yes think about it, we are in most cases more intelligent, so therefore we have better oppritunities avalible to us because of that. Our only weakness, that of an underdeveloped social drive is now being overcome by a wonderful invention; the internet. The internet has allowed us to communicate like never before. The distruction of this once crippleing weakness (for those of you who dont think this as such, may i remind you that we are part of an extremely social species) will allow us to master every career avilible, and with that we will earn more money than the NTs, which in turn will increase our chances for survivle, and thus our phenotype, through natural selection, will become the domanate phenotype in the human race.

NT's are as different from each other as Aspies are, which is why I look at individuals ALONE.

There are exactly 5 people in my life that I would very willingly die for, and 4 of them are NT. They are beautiful people, and I would never in a million years want them to change or go away, in the same way that I would never want that 5th, autistic person in my life to change or go away.

In the past 20-something years I have been a part of society, I have met some REALLY nasty NT's, with many prejudices and judgments, who use their gifts and intelligence to hurt or belittle other people. And in the past few days I have been a part of WP, I have observed Aspies who appear to be the same way like to do the same thing.

Anyway, to answer the hypothetical question, if there was a world of only one type of people, NO MATTER THE TYPE (NT's, Aspies, women, men, a specific race or religion), I wouldn't want to be a part of it.