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04 Apr 2008, 9:21 am

Its so nice that jenny mc carthy knows so much more than the center for disease control. Her child did not die... i hate it when parents say that autism 'took' their child away. their child has not gone anywhere, the parent obviously has written them off as such. Why would someone give up like that ? Maybe that is how she feels describes it, but then there has got to be a way to listen to these children. Why do they assume that the child is supposed to bend to the whims of 'normal' or they are 'dead'.

THere are reports and i have seen numerous youtube videos of parents teaching their autistic kids how to type on the computer... Many times they are amazed at how intelligent these little people are. I am not a parent and i dont know the difficulties of parenting an autistic child. It seems like it is partly the attitude a parent takes in raising the child that makes a difference. that is with any kid. I hope she is discredited and soon.



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04 Apr 2008, 10:25 am

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She was convinced that vaccines caused autism, saying that the CDC could eat their words when they said otherwise.

She was supposed to be talking about that, but I felt she was intolerant of anyone who didn't believe what she did. Among other things she said that her child died when he developed autism.

Is it me, or does this woman come off as rude and disrespectful? I also wondered if she could secretly be convinced she was responsible for her child's autism.

Seriously, I wanted to yell at her.


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04 Apr 2008, 3:10 pm

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Its so nice that jenny mc carthy knows so much more than the center for disease control. Her child did not die... i hate it when parents say that autism 'took' their child away. their child has not gone anywhere, the parent obviously has written them off as such. Why would someone give up like that ? .



Dawndeleon, you're mistaken. Jenny said her child died in front of her and her kid did die. Her child had a massive seizure and was assumed dead, but paramedics revived him. That's what she was talking about. Now, if you want to call her a liar, verify the information. Call the paramedicas and hospitals mentioned in her book and see if it actually happened. If it didn't, surely we would have heard from all of the doctors and ENTs involved by now.

Jenny may not know as much as the CDC, but as an American mother, she is bold enough to challenge them. I commend her for that. And, scientists and doctors are still trying to find the answers. Parents who deal with their kids everyday need to be at the front line, giving them feedback, telling them what's going on with our kids. They're not dealing with Autism 24/7 like we are. Nobody has front row tickets to this Autism child-rearing show like us parents who live, eat, sleep, breath it 24/7 everyday. They need our input.



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04 Apr 2008, 3:54 pm

Interesting point, NPBDude. I didn't remember about that. But it goes to show how much damage overly dramatic terminology can do - because so many parents have referred to the onset on autism as the "loss" of their child, it was a very easy assumption for people to make, that Jenny wasn't describing a medical event, but the onset of autism.

I don't know what to think of her anymore. The first article I ever read from her was fine, I didn't have any major issues with it, I was happy to hear that a diet change had helped her child so much, and while her and I weren't on the same page overall, I thought she could be an effective advocate. But she isn't all that consistent, and I really don't remember her being on the vaccine bandwagon before. How can I trust her "instinct" when it keeps changing? It's not as if her speaking style implies a slow evolution of opinion; it's far too absolute for that.

I am very curious to learn more about her ex, and his position on it all. I never hear anything. But wasn't he rather quirky? Just the kind of artist that may be Aspie himself?


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04 Apr 2008, 5:41 pm

JohnnyCarcinogen wrote:
morning_after wrote:
She was convinced that vaccines caused autism, saying that the CDC could eat their words when they said otherwise.

She was supposed to be talking about that, but I felt she was intolerant of anyone who didn't believe what she did. Among other things she said that her child died when he developed autism.

Is it me, or does this woman come off as rude and disrespectful? I also wondered if she could secretly be convinced she was responsible for her child's autism.

Seriously, I wanted to yell at her.


Jenny McCarthy is to autism what KFC is to chicken.


Tangent: Ohhhh I don't agree with that analogy. I love KFC!

On topic: I'm hearing that a lot of parents wanted to yell at the b***h, Morning. Jenny McCarthy is being nominated for Idiot of the Month on my website Wiki.



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04 Apr 2008, 5:51 pm

I don't have a problem with someone who says they worked on finding an alternative medicine and/or dietary treatment for their autistic child, and they had very good results with that child. Okay! I don't have a problem with her questioning the medical authorities on certain issues regarding additives and vaccine schedules. A good parent should ask questions and be concerned about anything that goes into their child's body. And there have been in the past some real concerns about such things. I don't trust all doctors or medical treatments, though I know there are some excellent ones out there, and there's been some treatment programs that benefit the autistic person, and not just everyone around them.
Not that I advocate for the "curebie" mentality, by any stretch of the imagination. I would like to see a generally happy, well adjusted and self confident autistic child with parents who accept him or her as is, than one who is guilt ridden about having this terrible "illness", feels like a defective creature, and is the cause of the poor martyred parents' woes.

The problem I had with her interview on Larry King was the manner in which she presented her case. Her attitude turned me off. She was rude, and interrupted what the other doctors were saying, and made remarks that didn't make sense to me. I don't know her that well, but she came across as a celebrity who is stirring up controversy to get more media attention.

Eh. My dos pesos, is all.



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05 Apr 2008, 1:26 am

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I heard she swore quite a lot on this appearance. Can anyone confirm this? I have a very good reason why.

She is well and truly under Brad Handley's spell.


Yes, she was!! ! And that is one of the things that really ticked me off.

I mean, can't we at least use discretion on LIVE tv about what kind of words we use??


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05 Apr 2008, 1:28 am

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morning_after wrote:
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morning_after wrote:
She was convinced that vaccines caused autism, saying that the CDC could eat their words when they said otherwise.

She was supposed to be talking about that, but I felt she was intolerant of anyone who didn't believe what she did. Among other things she said that her child died when he developed autism.

Is it me, or does this woman come off as rude and disrespectful? I also wondered if she could secretly be convinced she was responsible for her child's autism.

Seriously, I wanted to yell at her.

She's not very smart. She grew up near me. My sister went to the same high school she went to. They've pretty much disowned her over there.


Really? Just because she wasn't smart?

No because she's a bimbo


What sort of things did she do? Screw half the school or something?

Its a Catholic all girls school run by Nuns. Whereas my old high school the all guy school right next to it is proud to produce John C. Reilly(Talledaga Nights, Walk Hard) and have a plaque of him on the wall with all the other famous alumni like michael Flatly, The girls school acts as though she never existed and never mentions her amoung the successful alumni from there.


So they just make like she didn't exist? What does your sister say about her.

I can believe her being like you say. That's how she behaved on CNN.


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05 Apr 2008, 1:30 am

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I don't have a problem with someone who says they worked on finding an alternative medicine and/or dietary treatment for their autistic child, and they had very good results with that child. Okay! I don't have a problem with her questioning the medical authorities on certain issues regarding additives and vaccine schedules. A good parent should ask questions and be concerned about anything that goes into their child's body. And there have been in the past some real concerns about such things. I don't trust all doctors or medical treatments, though I know there are some excellent ones out there, and there's been some treatment programs that benefit the autistic person, and not just everyone around them.
Not that I advocate for the "curebie" mentality, by any stretch of the imagination. I would like to see a generally happy, well adjusted and self confident autistic child with parents who accept him or her as is, than one who is guilt ridden about having this terrible "illness", feels like a defective creature, and is the cause of the poor martyred parents' woes.

The problem I had with her interview on Larry King was the manner in which she presented her case. Her attitude turned me off. She was rude, and interrupted what the other doctors were saying, and made remarks that didn't make sense to me. I don't know her that well, but she came across as a celebrity who is stirring up controversy to get more media attention.

Eh. My dos pesos, is all.


I thought it might have been media attention, too. But that does NOT excuse her DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF HER SON!! !


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05 Apr 2008, 11:48 am

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I thought it might have been media attention, too. But that does NOT excuse her DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF HER SON!! !



NewportBeachDude already pointed out that when she says her son "died" she is NOT referring to the onset of autism, but to an actual medical event where her son went into a state where he was technically dead and needed to be revived. She does NOT consider her son "dead" at the moment.

I realize the misinterpretation has been set up by all those who keep taking about stolen or lost children, but that does not relieve us of the responsibility for at least trying to understand the context in which any particular person is speaking.

There is enough fodder to use for blaming people for their real sins. We don't need to add ones that can be perceived, but are not real. If you've got a different example than the one I believe you are referring to, provide it, I seem to have missed it, but the one I think you mean needs to be let go of.


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05 Apr 2008, 1:28 pm

Thing is, if she's trying to do a good thing, she should realize the responsibility of being a high profile influence on many of those who watch her, and behave accordingly.
I know some parents are highly emotional and defensive about their autistic child, I know one mother from my kids' school whose son has AS. She couldn't talk about him without crying, because his diagnosis was still new and she was trying to adjust to it, but she liked talking to an adult with AS to understand him better. She even asked me advice on how to deal with his behavior issues. 8O
Being a parent myself, I told her how I would probably deal with it, but that I was no expert, I only know that many times when I was punished for "bad" behavior, I didn't even know what I was being punished for, because I didn't know it was bad, even if it actually was.
The only thing I could actually come out and say was, "Never assume you know what your child is thinking, let him/her tell you, and when he or she tells you, believe what your child is saying." You know, open communication lines, with a child who is precocious enough to do so, like he is. That tends to work for most people, anyway, who can communicate.
Oh, and the other thing is, show respect.

Again, I don't know Jenny McCarthy very well, except for her behavior on Larry King, it just really turned me off to wanting to hear what she had to say because she wasn't being very respectful of the opposing views.
She came across as someone who has something diagnosable, herself, and I'm not saying that to be derisive, just trying to put it into some sort of perspective.

Don't mistake me, this whole "cure autism now" crusade really rankles. I don't want to be cured, just respected. :|



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05 Apr 2008, 2:28 pm

morning_after wrote:
MartyMoose wrote:
morning_after wrote:
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morning_after wrote:
She was convinced that vaccines caused autism, saying that the CDC could eat their words when they said otherwise.

She was supposed to be talking about that, but I felt she was intolerant of anyone who didn't believe what she did. Among other things she said that her child died when he developed autism.

Is it me, or does this woman come off as rude and disrespectful? I also wondered if she could secretly be convinced she was responsible for her child's autism.

Seriously, I wanted to yell at her.

She's not very smart. She grew up near me. My sister went to the same high school she went to. They've pretty much disowned her over there.


Really? Just because she wasn't smart?

No because she's a bimbo


What sort of things did she do? Screw half the school or something?


That's highly possible. She was a Playboy centerfold.


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05 Apr 2008, 2:34 pm

Do you non-Canadians even know WHO Jenny McCarthy is?

She's Jim Carrey (the comic)'s girlfriend/fiancee. She's doing a book tour to promote Louder than Words.

She believe that the therapies have "cured" her son in one breath, but in the next statement will say that if she lets her guard down, that Evan (her son) can revert back into his Autism.

She believes that his gastrointenstinal problems ARE NOT related to his autism.

And she believe that the vaccines caused his autism: why? Because a Mom knows.

She's dangerous because she has no idea that a little boy exists inside his head that she needs to learn how to communicate with. And worse, she is dangerous, because every time she speaks she inadvertently throws in a plug for Autism Speaks' eugenics program.


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05 Apr 2008, 2:51 pm

I see.

Any time someone talks about "eradicating autism", I see it in no other way than their message to me being that they don't want people like me to exist, at all.
I've heard that kind of talk, and seen those conversations on Usenet discussion boards, websites, and other places. The commercials disturb me, because they echoed things my mother wrote in her journal, that I found after she passed away, that if she had the legal right to take me out of this world, she would have, because she brought me into it in the first place. Chilling words from one's own mother. What if Jenny's son didn't respond to the treatments? The point is, it worked for now, but what if it didn't?
The other thing is, how some people view "defective" people. They don't want to deal with people who are going to be a problem for them, they want to see them disappear.

It's the "Yuppie perfect world" mindset that bugs me so much, if something is ugly, or not useful, defective or different in a way they don't like, then they want to throw it away. That's the kind of school system my kids had to attend, full of parents who acted like Jenny McCarthy. I've been yelled at by parents like her at a special ed parents support meeting because I had said, in introductions, that not only was I the parent of two kids with significant needs, but that I had AS. To explain further, I said it is a type of autism, and I was unable to say more, because I was shouted down. So, I'm a bit gun shy of parents who think liek that.
But I wanted to withhold judgment on Jenny until I knew what her agenda truly was. Sometimes it takes me a while. :roll:



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05 Apr 2008, 6:43 pm

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I thought it might have been media attention, too. But that does NOT excuse her DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF HER SON!! !



NewportBeachDude already pointed out that when she says her son "died" she is NOT referring to the onset of autism, but to an actual medical event where her son went into a state where he was technically dead and needed to be revived. She does NOT consider her son "dead" at the moment.

I realize the misinterpretation has been set up by all those who keep taking about stolen or lost children, but that does not relieve us of the responsibility for at least trying to understand the context in which any particular person is speaking.

There is enough fodder to use for blaming people for their real sins. We don't need to add ones that can be perceived, but are not real. If you've got a different example than the one I believe you are referring to, provide it, I seem to have missed it, but the one I think you mean needs to be let go of.


She said something about seeing walking dead children. That's where I got it from.


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05 Apr 2008, 6:46 pm

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Its so nice that jenny mc carthy knows so much more than the center for disease control. Her child did not die... i hate it when parents say that autism 'took' their child away. their child has not gone anywhere, the parent obviously has written them off as such. Why would someone give up like that ? .



Dawndeleon, you're mistaken. Jenny said her child died in front of her and her kid did die. Her child had a massive seizure and was assumed dead, but paramedics revived him. That's what she was talking about. Now, if you want to call her a liar, verify the information. Call the paramedicas and hospitals mentioned in her book and see if it actually happened. If it didn't, surely we would have heard from all of the doctors and ENTs involved by now.

Jenny may not know as much as the CDC, but as an American mother, she is bold enough to challenge them. I commend her for that. And, scientists and doctors are still trying to find the answers. Parents who deal with their kids everyday need to be at the front line, giving them feedback, telling them what's going on with our kids. They're not dealing with Autism 24/7 like we are. Nobody has front row tickets to this Autism child-rearing show like us parents who live, eat, sleep, breath it 24/7 everyday. They need our input.


They need the input of everyone that has to deal with it. The thing that I guess rattled me is that it needs to be talked about in a way that is respectful of everyone, not given to shouting and swearing and the like.


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