LA kid gets measles

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It's nice to see that you get on together. Still touting your complete lack of understanding, full gullibility and generally lethal disregard of everyone.

Not a measley disease topic

Perhaps one day there will be a sort of blood/genetic test that will tell people if they are at risk of developing measles, polio, meningitis, herpes, HIV, chicken pox, rabies, hepatitis and small pox, should they be exposed to the viruses involved. Then they could make an informed choice as to whether it would be safer to vaccinate or not, if the vaccine exists.

I for one am satisfied with the vaccines I have had and will continue to receive. Best wishes to all, no matter what their choices are.

What I'd rather see is a mandatory blood test carried out prior to vaccination on every child that would show whether or not they're contraindicated to whatever adjuvants and additives are in there. From what I understand there are some available, they just aren't offered to many children and available in many places. If you could see who was going to react to the vaccine and just not vaccinate them, then things would be a whole lot better and I would be a whole lot happier.

For example, some of the vaccines in the first year contain egg proteins. You aren't meant to give those ones to kids who are allergic to eggs (for obvious reasons), but how are you meant to know a baby is allergic to egg if they're not onto solid food yet? They won't have ever had a reaction before, so how can you tell the doctor and avoid the jab?


Again, I'm not anti-vax as such, I'm just anti the present schedules and what's in them. Make them safe and show me statistics that prove there is an epidemic of whatever it is, and make the trials and tests longer and transparent, and I'd be more than happy, but right now they aren't safe for those reasons so I won't vaccinate. On the other hand, I will be using natural immune-boosters and continuing my organic and chemical-free lifestyle. As Hippocrates put it, "Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food".

A Vaxing question continued topic

Wearing a mask will help, as well as immune boosters, organic food and healthy lifestyle, as was done during the SARS Epidemic. This was how I avoided it when I worked in a hospital with infected patients.

Again, best wishes.

Did that. You refuse to understand them and prefer to be selfish, and antisocially opt to promote the return of epidemics. You do not learn.

And you don't listen. Did you not read that post above? Make the vaccines safe, the trials lengthy and transparent, and tests available to show contraindication, and I would consider vaccination. Until that all happens, I won't be.

I'm not anti-vaccine, I just won't utilise them until they're safe and the problems are ironed out. That isn't unreasonable.

You promulgate myths. You are dangerous, as has been suggested before, for that reason. You persistently ignore evidence and make strange demands that all science should be discarded in favour of catering to your unreasoning objections. My responses will get shorter.

Actually, I thought the same thing. But it wasn't the kid's fault (I doubt he chose not to have the shot), so perhaps the inability to understand genes didn't get passed down to him.

The graph I posted is from Health Sentinel which is a site "dedicated to providing the very best in health related information based on scientific, medical, and historic sources. Much of the information presented provides quotes directly from well-respected medical and other peer review journals." Their reference for the graph is data from the official UK government's Office of National Statistics.

If you believe in conspiracy theories and think the UK is releasing fradulent data to attack vaccines, then please post evidence of what you think is a conspiracy.

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.ph ... _list_item

Nope, that doesn't follow at all. It may well be that the death rate in western countries with advanced healthcare is 1 in 2500-5000. For you or I, deciding whether or not to vaccinate our kids, that may be the statistic that we're looking at. However, the vast majority of deaths from measles don't occur in these countries. In a poorer country, with raging epidemics due to lack of available vaccination, the death rate may be much, much higher. They don't have the technology, resources and expertise to drag a child back from death's door the way that we often can. The World Health Organisation tells us that:



Doesn't sound quite so harmless when you look at it like that.

Is there a reason to post a link to the same graph, as if that proved that the graph was genuine?

Tacking a label on a graph saying "this data is true" doesn't make it so.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist - that would be you.

Do you have any data from a reputable source? I.e. not a site that has a label on it saying "all data on this site is true." Or, indeed, any chained together sites, each of which says the others are reliable.

It would be interesting if you can find the first source data alluded to at:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/clas ... efault.asp

I reached a dead end for the second "source":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cornwall_Lewis

Somehow, their third "source" seems a little biased, to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Pearce

OK, let's say... skip measles vaccination. Because only from measles, the risk to die is not high enough.

But let's add not getting vaccinated against other things on top of it... and get the kid with measles also sick with some most trivial illnesses that you can vaccinate against.

That will end in a dead kid for sure.

Do you know that there is a series of diagnosis keys in the ICD-10 that all state 'measles with further complication'?

Also, there is no specific treatment against measles once you have them.

Question is.... are these statistics about deaths from measles only or do they take in the more possible risk of compilations? And the death rates of these?

Further questions would be:

What vaccinations against other illnesses were out before 1963?
What was the prevalence of the vaccinated people in, say, the UK for each vaccination? Also, what was the prevalence of those other conditions (including 'measles with these particular complications') from the 1880s to the 1930s in, say, the UK?

For or against vaccinations that's got to be considered too.

I looked at the original source, as I usually do, but they don't have the data on their website. If they had the data and it disagreed with the Health Sentinal graph, I would reject the Health Sentinal site and I wouldn't have posted the graph. I haven't found any data that disagrees with the Health Sentinal data yet.

Why would they post an inaccurate graph? Think about it. People don't try to convince others of something unless they believe it first. If all their information was inaccurate, then they wouldn't believe it. Also, I think they can get in trouble for libel if they post incorrect information and claim it's based on official governmnet data. Why would they risk that?

If I could find a reliable source that went back 100 years and disagreed with he graph, then I never would have posted it. I searched for awhile and everything I found agrees with the graph I posted. Nothing disagreed with it.

I won't believe something just because an authority tells me to and reject all the evidence, without thinking, that refutes the authorities. That kind of thinking allowed Hitler and other governments to do horrible things.

I believe 1 in 2500 to 1 in 5000 is the death rate for unvaccinated peoples. You are correct that the death rate from measles, as well as other infectious diseases (including AIDS), is much higher in third world countries. Scientists have studied this and found the reasons for it.

Better Nutrition Could Save Millions of Kids-Study
Thu Jun 17, 2004 08:02 AM ET
Souce: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Malnutrition is to blame for more than half of all the deaths of children around the world -- including deaths caused by diarrhea, pneumonia, malaria and measles, researchers said on Thursday.

Poor nourishment leaves children underweight and weakened and vulnerable to infections that do not have to be fatal, the team at the World Health Organization and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore found.

They estimated that feeding all children worldwide an adequate diet would prevent about 1 million deaths a year from pneumonia, 800,000 from diarrhea, 500,000 from malaria, and 250,000 from measles.

They estimate that 52.5 percent of all deaths in young children were attributable to undernourishment, with nearly 45 percent of measles deaths and more than 60 percent of deaths from diarrhea associated with low weight and poor nutrition.

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THEY NEED REAL FOOD TO SURVIVE, Not Mass Vaccinations, Not Water Fluoridation, Not GM Food, Not Drugs, JUST REAL AND HEALTHY FOOD!

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/06/bette ... study.html

A link between disease and diet topic

This is interesting. I will still say that all children need both vaccinations, and a proper diet. Fresh water, the means to produce a decent livelihood, noncorrupt governments and a basic education would also help. This is a lot I know, and it will take time.

So, according to those figures, the 300,000 per year who die of measles aren't worth saving? The survivors don't need teeth, food or medicine?

I live on this planet.

I don't accredit truth to everything on the internet.

Look: "2+2=5 according to the WHO.!"

(Ouch! I lied.)