I am opposed to those calling for Michael Savage's sacking

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02 Sep 2008, 8:42 pm

While I don't condone or agree with his statements, I also don't particularly care. Like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, his job is to elicit commentary and outrage. There will always be an audience for sensationalist garbage like his, and wasting time validating it by being offended or making demands is pointless. I choose not to be offended, but to emasculate its power over me.

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03 Sep 2008, 12:33 am

It's almost as if that freedom of speech means I'm not allowed to be offended. I found what he said personally hurtful. It's almost as if there is no repercussion for doing anything. By his own standards in the quote alone, perhaps he should learn to behave and just cut it out. Speaking is an action, and we all must suffer the consequences of our actions. Those consequences for Mr. Savage is that a whole lot of people would like to punch him in the face. If given the chance I would in a heartbeat, knowing full well the consequences for doing so, and be willing to accept them.

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03 Sep 2008, 12:42 am

Roxas_XIII wrote:

*Avoiding religious debate* Whoever started this thread, I agree with. As much as what Savage said make me want to go grab a semi-automatic and bust a few caps in his ass, the point is that a) What he said was perfectly within the lines of free speech, and cannot be considered slander because we are not an officially recognized minority group and because he didn't mention any individuals in particular, and b) Savage is the usual kind of shock jockey that says stuff on the radio just so that he can get shouted at by a bunch of people and so that the ignoramuses that listen to his drivel can get a few laughs at our expense. Immoral, yes. Illegal, not to the extent that we would need to file a lawsuit or similar. My point being that there's really nothing we can do but ignore him, since criticism does nothing but fuel his fire. Of course, we can always boycott the radio station he's on, but the fact remains that we are a small minority, and thus not likely to make a difference in that respect.

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Well said.

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03 Sep 2008, 12:53 am

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So you like hate speech? where does it say to like that stuff in the bible?? oh wait,,,,there is that nagging old testament isnt there. hey, hate whatever you want...but when you put kids down (forget about the autism) I will not go down without a fight as I suspect most people here wont. To post something in defense of this idiot on an AS website shows your IQ.

No, I said nothing about supporting hate speech. I simply said that freedom of speech should be absolute. You can juxtapose the concepts of favouring hate speech and freedom of speech all you want (as indeed many liberals enjoy doing), but I will never accept that they are the same thing. I think Michael Savage used an extremely poor choice of words and this is why I think he found himself in hot water, but I will never advocate any attempts to restrict his or anyone else's freedom of speech.

When I did an I.Q. test, it showed my I.Q. to be 132. I can speak 4 languages fluently and have some knowledge of another 5 and I have a Masters in Electronic and Electrical Engineering with German. Saying that somebody is unintelligent because they disagree with your view is childish to the very extreme.

For someone with your I.Q., one has to wonder how bringing something like "michael savage up on a board full of people he degraded and pissed off" your intelligence quotient may be fine, but your tast and tact are kindergartenish.

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03 Sep 2008, 1:13 am

Jaysonlee4 wrote:

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I'm standing up for his freedom of speech, even if I am among the people he made negative comments about. In going bonkers about what he said, we are behaving like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

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03 Sep 2008, 1:16 am

why stand up for him at all? cant he do it....isnt he a big boy? he certainly didn't need anyone to stand up for him when he degraded millions of families, not to mention homosexuals, and arabs........

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03 Sep 2008, 1:19 am

KingChaosNinja wrote:

Wonderful idea, wanting to punching him for spreading hate. Wouldn't that also be a crime motivated by hate as well?

This is why I don't like hate crime legislation: - all violent crimes are based on hate.

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03 Sep 2008, 1:21 am

Jaysonlee4 wrote:

I am standing up for freedom of speech more than I am standing up for him.

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03 Sep 2008, 1:25 am

irikarah wrote:

Well said. I quite like listening to Ann Coulter's rants about Democrats, 9/11 widows etc. She makes me laugh hysterically because she is just such a silly woman.

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03 Sep 2008, 1:28 am

graemephillips wrote:

Jaysonlee4 wrote:

I am standing up for freedom of speech more than I am standing up for him.

then maybe my iq has problems...because what does this have to do with free speech? as far as Im concerened....michael savage is free to say what ever he wants....but im free as a consumer to try to get his sponsors to pull their sponsorship thereby putting him out of a job. this is exactly what occured with Don Imus. Free speech by the way does not cover certain things i.e. screaming fire in a theater when there is no fire.....this savage moron which his speech and some of his loyal listeners has put understanding of autism back to the 50's. sure, he can say what he wants...thats his right.....but autistics and parents of autistics also have a right to shut his funding down! ITS CALLED FREE CAPITALIST SOCIETY which tends to be a concept the right wing doesnt seem to understand on this issue as they keep crying "FREE SPEECH"

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03 Sep 2008, 1:32 am

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graemephillips wrote:

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I am standing up for freedom of speech more than I am standing up for him.

It is our capitalist right to do such a thing, but I am opposed to this too, as it is a gesture of hate: - we try to censor people like Michael Savage because they propagate hate and I feel that doing something like this would be at least as hateful as what he has said.

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03 Sep 2008, 1:34 am

(hypothetical) i dont know....actually i dont feel that way....i mean if I really wanted to retaliate hatefully id find him and knock him out......I dont think that pulling his sponsors is violent.

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03 Sep 2008, 2:52 am

Jaysonlee4 wrote:

those people flying into the trade centers had there own special bible to! (if you believe it wasnt an inside job).

even though it was.....

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03 Sep 2008, 4:06 am

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(hypothetical) i dont know....actually i dont feel that way....i mean if I really wanted to retaliate hatefully id find him and knock him out......I dont think that pulling his sponsors is violent.

It is not violent, no, but trying to ruin someone's life economically is still an act of hate.

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03 Sep 2008, 6:11 am

I hold the view that no matter how horribly someone has wronged you or a group you are in you should neither feel hate or anger in response. And if you do feel these emotions you should not act on them.

I will not deny that Michael Savage's comments were at the very least ignorant. However we should do no more then inform him of his mistake and move on. There is little to gain by escalating a conflict where we are not put in physical risk by his actions. The time to fight is rare, and this is not one.

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03 Sep 2008, 8:01 pm

graemephillips wrote:

Roxas_XIII wrote:

Well said.

Thank you ^_^

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