New study finds no link between measles vaccine and autism

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I fear that the vaccine myth will persist among the less informed for years to come despite research debunking it. Twenty years from now, we still may be hearing parents say, "Don't give your kid the vaccines - he might catch autism!" and "My cousin has autism - they said it was the vaccine."

As the rumor continues to spread, it will grow to encompass all vaccines, and then what next? A resurgence of polio? I certainly don't want to see that.

I remember, this is why i hate people..




.. OH, hello..! Mercury is toxic to the body

big surprise

As I just posted on the thread about this in news forum...

The study doesn't prove much, and it certainly doesn't replicate the Wakefield study like they keep claiming, for a couple of significant reasons:



A - Only FIVE children out of that study meet the original Wakefield criteria; that is, normal development up till MMR vaccination, then subsequent bowel problems and diseases leading to autism/PDD. Given that the Wakefield study included TWELVE children, which was part of the reason he received so much flack for it (twelve being too few, apparently), this should give pause for thought when you tout this study as being so great.

In other words, you can't really compare it if you say the Wakefield study used too few children, as this one uses even fewer.

B - It also doesn't mention that one of the five children was found to have measles virus in the gut, which validates the findings by O'Leary et al in a 2002 study looking at bowel biopsies of 91 children with bowel disease and ASD following MMR. *



All the study really does is show that a number of autistic children also have horrible bowel diseases. Nothing more, nothing less. You cannot compare it to the Wakefield study because it doesn't use the same conditions nor replicate the original study in any way.



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Oh, hello! The MMR vaccine does not contain mercury, nor has it ever.

All evidence points to polio being a form of heavy metal poisoning, rather than a virus.

The vaccine itself was contaminated from the start with the cancer-causing virus SV40, which they knew about before pumping it into everyone.

Do some reading.

isn't that the opposite of what's being said?.. gee i thought people were saying it contained mercury in the vaccine and im pretty sure thats what i saw a guy saying on a show.. and they were talking about the vaccines that 'cause autism'.. was he lieing or misinformed?

What source do you have that proves the entire medical profession wrong on this?


I suggest you do the same, but from legitimate sources.

The MMR vaccine has never contained mercury. The vaccine conspiracy theory has changed around quite a bit, and its adherents aren't usually able to keep up with anything resembling a straight story on even the most basic facts. Vaccines other than MMR used to use mercury as a preservative, but that has been discontinued with the exception of some flu vaccines. I don't know what guy or what show you refer to (and seriously, that's your source? a healthy dose of skepticism is in order for you) so I can't speculate as to whether he was lying or just misinformed. I will simply say that he was wrong and leave it at that. Vaccines do not cause autism, the MMR shot has never included mercury, and most vaccines do not currently include mercury.

This has already happened, the latest rumour is that vaccines should be avoided because they're a Western plot to sterilise Muslims.



What this study shows is that their is no causation of autism by the vaccine even when there are bowel problems present - instead of taking a biased sample. Obviously, there is no point in replicating a deeply flawed study.




Various much larger studies have been conducted showing no correlation between MMR and autism - if there is no correlation, there is no causation.




gut != bowels




This is blatantly false, it proves that that vaccine does not cause autism even in the minority of children that go on to develop bowel disease, therefore it proves the flawed Wakefield study wrong.



Of course. If it wasn't thimerosal that was causing autism, then it must have been bowel inflammation caused by vaccines, if it wasn't that it must have been 'overwhelming' the immune system, etc. The point is, with these people it's an article of faith that vaccines cause autism, independently of facts, evidence or elementary logic. These people will cherry-pick any shred of scientific evidence at all consistent with their foregone conclusion, but will dismiss any scientific evidence, no matter how solid, that is contrary to it, much like creationists. These are the people that will rant on about the greed of big pharma and doctors, but will stay silent on the greed of alternative medicine suppliers, practitioners, etc, on the greed of trial lawyers seeking a big buck from lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers (they don't have to scientifically prove their case, they just have to get a jury to agree), crooks like Wakefield, etc.

Let's talk about facts:

1. Childhood vaccination rates have been stable, even dropping, in developed countries for a while now. If vaccines caused autism, then autism rates would be stable or dropping - yet we have the 'autism epidemic'. Not to mention that thimerosal has been removed from mandatory childhood vaccines (that's why the story keeps shifting, each time the anti-vaccine activists get proved wrong).

2. Awareness of autism has increased in the West. It's really not rocket science to see how that could relate to the rate of diagnosis of a condition that is diagnosed according to behaviour (and hence requires the somewhat subjective assessment by someone, rather than a biological marker involving less human bias). There is at least one study showing that many people currently diagnosed with ASD would've been diagnosed as something else a few decades ago (not exactly an astonishing conclusion). The 'autism epidemic' scare is based on rates of diagnosis.

3. There is pretty solid evidence that autism is mainly (~80%) genetic.

The point of the study, according to the way it's been reported - which we all know is the most important part in influencing opinions - was to replicate the Wakefield study of 98 and see if the same results would be found. The study did NOT replicate it, in fact, which is why the news reports claiming it as such are patently false.

I don't personally believe there is an 'autism epidemic' - the much-touted 1 in 150 statistic doesn't distinguish between levels of 'functionality', i.e. it clumps high-functioning Aspergers with lowest-functioning autism, and feeds on parental fear of their children being 'stolen'. They never mention the majority of us who are at least to some degree capable and communicative; they only ever show the more dramatic and scary pictures of LFA children in full-blown meltdown.

I also think diagnoses have a lot to do with it - more doctors and more parents are more aware of what autism is and the various ways it can manifest, which means more children and adults being diagnosed, which means higher rates, supposedly. I'm sure there are plenty more than there once were, and given the levels of environmental toxins out there, coupled with an AS tendency to couple up with like-minded people, it's not surprising.


I know that the majority of autism is genetic in nature, and I've never said otherwise. I do, however, know just how contaminated these vaccines are, how rough n ready the manufacturing process is, the number of toxins that go into them, the number of viruses that they generally contain alongside the ones meant to be in there, and the damage it can cause to an immature immune system (let alone a mature one). Given what vaccines are and what's in them and how they're made and how many are given at once, etc etc, it's perfectly reasonable to assume there will be some damage to some children manifesting in a very similar fashion to autistic spectrum disorder. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to get their heads around, besides vaccines being the supposed holy grail of modern medicine.

<another list of things that you "know", but have utterly no supporting evidence for, as usual>

around what? Sloppy thinking, media hype, bad science. Yes, I do try to avoid getting my head around any of those.

i heard about that mercury thing too, but maybe its not the substance

maybe its the mercury that is in a womans dna, genes or whatever?

What on earth are you talking about?

Mercury is an element. Mercury is a toxin. It plays no part in anyone's body.

My university has the largest autism genetics research lab in the country, and their data shows that autism shows a stronger genetic link than almost any other disorder.

Pff! Surre, science - what good is that against someone's intuition, their gut (or leaky gut?) feeling? Surely a random association of preconceived notions is of much more value than mere facts and reproducible experiments! </sarcasm>