Whats with all the Autism Speaks hate.

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No, you are mistaken.

Autism covers not just the bad aspects but also the good aspects that are not otherwise synonomous with Neurotypicalism. Autism is also instrumental behinds a person's basic thought processes, morals and interaction style.

To 'remove' the autism is to change the person.

So you're telling me, that as a person with aspergers, you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO good traits? You have NOTHING going for you whatsoever? Like, you're not able to do math better or ANYTHING? You have not ONE single advantage? I find that extremely hard to believe. I also think it's ridiculous that you think anyone who doesn't have aspergers(or doesn't have it as 'bad' as you)simply has zero difficulties in life. You're extremely deluded, buddy.

I'm not saying you're not impaired whatsoever. We all are... and by we ALL are, I mean all humans have weaknesses. Aspergers is what gives me my photographic memory. It's what makes me remember pictures and events in great detail as though i'm literally watching a tape of the event. It's what's kept me from ever having to study/read my notes a day in my life. Surely you have SOMETHING positive going for you.

Look, the reason you believe you're such an inferior human specimen is because most people who aren't autistic think negatively of autism, and they've probably made fun of/ridiculed you. You've been painted as a burden, and you simply accepted it. That's wrong. People are all different. Different shouldn't be viewed as a burden.

Would you care to explain yourself? You say "no, it's not a different way, it's a lack of a way." A lack of a way to do what exactly? What is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for you to do that "everybody else" can do? Please explain because you're not making sense. I'm capable of doing anything an NT can do, but depending on what it is, it might take me a little longer to get the hang of it. I'll learn it quickly, as I've always been a fast learner, but actually executing it is a different story. But I can still DO it. You need to stop playing the victim card and just get out and do s**t.

You mentioned wanting to be free to pursue your own ambitions... Well what's stopping you right now? Just go f****n do them if it's such a big deal to you. Also, a lot of autistic people seem to be extremely lonely, so having a caretaker around doesn't sound like such a terrible idea. And honestly, for a lot of us, our spouse takes the place of the caretaker. Are you trying to tell me that you'd hate to live with a wife who loves you and helps take care of the things you have difficulties with? Is that an invasion of privacy? I would rather have someone help take care of me than be told I have to take some BS "medicine" or just suffer and rot in a ditch.

You need to stop thinking that just because you're different, you're automatically inferior in every single way. This is what I'm talking about... You're a perfect example of what the "different is bad" mentality produces. You sound like you hate yourself, like you view yourself as the lowest possible human on earth, so you go around going "oh woe is me, i hate my life." I don't particularly enjoy a lot of aspects of my life either, but it's not because I think I'm some lowly piece of s**t. I don't care what other people think about me. Other people don't know me.

I think your problem is you're autistic, and you want so desperately to fit in an NT world, and that simply isn't going to happen. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. You need to learn to accept that. Stop lamenting over how not NT you are, and learn to develop the strengths you DO have. Maybe you don't believe you have any because that's what you've been told your whole life, I don't know, but if so, you need to forget about all the people who've told you that. Do your own thing. Live up to your own standard, not whatever someone else told you to do.

And for the love of Thoth, STOP VIEWING ME AS YOUR ENEMY!

I dont understand why anyone would want to be NT if they could choose otherwise. They are unfocused, uncompassionate, dishonest and superficial.

Its highly over rated. If anything I wish I was more autistic.

Is that right? I guess I don't really have problems my being able to read before i was taught and high intelligence makes me impervious to any negative autism symptoms Ever been called ret*d repeatedly when you're actually intelligent and still laughed at and treated like some slow idiot regardless of intelligence.....So don't try to pretend those of us who wouldn't want a cure if they came up with one are trying to protect our 'special' abilities you accuse us of having. Not to mention the high intelligence can make it hard to sort out what's overthinking and whats not and then you might get carried away trying to rationalize ridiculous thoughts and ideas....I know people make eye contact but that does not make me anymore able to do it.

I am just of the postion of accepting I have a condition that interferes with some of my functioning and want to live my life with it...seems most rational since there is not a cure. Also I feel a true cure would not be something I am comfortable with so I feel if they do come up with one I should have the right to refuse it.

Ok well I don't know anything about that...sorry, all I know is i would not want my neurology screwed around with. Aside from meds/drugs to help with symptoms that really bother me I am not interested in things that alter me entirely





What makes you think everyones goal is purely financial gain, I mean you are assuming all people want the same things in life and people with autism should be cured regardless of if they even want to be all in the name of gaining financial success. Also in a society I think financial help should be given to people who need it and other sorts of treatments, therapies or whatever sorts of services might help people with physical disabilities/mental conditions and such. Why does everyone have to be a financial success? I am not even convinced that is possible.





and why is that? if anything maybe I ought to act that way more when people are being ignorant. I don't see how I have expressed any holier than thou attitude here though. You're the one trying to speak for an entire group of people based on your own personal experiences and opinions.

Then you can't define what eliminating autism would mean. I'm talking of eliminating disability.
You haven't accepted my challenge.



Prove what you're saying. You're not backing up anything you're saying. You're so great. What do you need "interventionary counseling" for? Where do you get these absurd terms from? You show no knowledge of economics at all. I really don't care what you high-functioning narcissists think of cure. You don't need it. Others do. Nobody who lacks communication skills hates cure. Period.


Then when a woman is ready to have an abortion, come in the room and make sure they're not doing it over fears of autism. I'm not sure if you're really pro-choice. I don't want selective abortion to become a result, but I don't want such a problem to be a power grab for you. You want to lie to pregnant women, implying their children will be geniuses, when you know well that only a small percent of autistics will reach that success. You know you have to push misleading information like that, as you are aware of how awful and vile the disability involved really is.

Ok....then explain how I lack communication skills and do not want a cure if they make one.

Autism is a multi-faceted phenomenon, it isn't a disability in the same context as downs syndrome, blindless or deformed limbs. With it comes positive aspects. To eliminate autism would be to remove everything, the bad and the good parts.

Autism is only a disability because the NT's make it that way, we are forced to conform to their hegemony, their culture, their thought processes. A cure is unnecessary what we need is either accomodation or a segregation and our own autonomous nation. That would eliminate the disabling aspect of autism without having to subject anyone to the butchery of the surgeon's knife or electric shock therapy.

If you want to remove the disability aspect of autism, look no further than our neurocentric society. There you will find the real enemy.


The burden of proof lies on you. So far you have not convinced me that A) A cure is possible, B) a cure is even desirable or C) that Autism itself is even strictly a disability in the conventional sense that warrants eradication. On the contrary I see it as an evolutionary tenant to right the course of mankind away from the regressive and destructive neurotypical devolution back to apemen and primeval savagery. Like Temple Grandin once said when the neurotypical cavemen were out hunting and blabbing to each other, it was the autistic caveman in the corner that was working on fire and handaxes.

FYI, I work in a communication sector job (due to economic co-ercion, not my own will) and am constantly getting into trouble because of my communication issues. I know all about communication impairments.



I am not condoning lying to women about the chances of their children being geniuses, I am purely saying that autism at the point of pre-natal care should not be sold in a perogitive light in such a way that it would encourage a woman to have an abortion purely for the sake of not having an autistic child.

Imagine what intellectual treasures would have been lost if the mothers of the afforementioned figures had been encouraged to abort?



I am aware of what autism entails, but this sort of sanctimony does nothing but skew the full picture.

The real vileness and awfulness comes about from the neuroelitist ignorance surrounding it.

I don't know. Whatever achievements I have, I WORKED for them. I don't get by and succeed on "gifts" of intelligence. My IQ is only 107. I'm not one of you. What do others' difficulties have to do with this. Please, stay on topic.


No, not all of us are impaired. Some are strong. Some are weak. That is reality. I don't have photographic memory. I do not have what you have. I actually have to study. A lot. I read slowly and painstakingly. I don't have squat. I better question my diagnosis now. You have too much advantage to realize the difficulty endured by others.


During the vast majority of my life, nobody has really known I'm autistic in particular. There is no self-fulfilling prophesy crap going on. I didn't do well with others cause I don't have the interaction skills, and I have difficulty learning to do things. I am a burden. I live with my mother at 28 and seldom have an income, cause I'm terrible at working. It is not wrong. What I am saying is right. What you are saying is all wrong. There is no such thing as different.


To do a particular task. Lose the attitude. You wouldn't come to me with that attitude if we weren't behind screens. You have no impairments. You are not disabled. And you sadistically like my disability. You can't be a fast learner, and need longer time to get the hang of it. You just contradicted yourself. If you can do it, then you can execute it. Victim card? Why don't you tell me this to my face?


Impairment is stopping me by ruining the effectiveness of my efforts. I can't just do them. Hello. I think all autistics deserve real relationships. What is so sacrosanct of NTs making them entitled to relationships they may not even deserve? Spouses don't enter marriage to administer care. Especially when there is no wealth to compensate for and facilitate such an arrangement. You obviously don't have difficulty with things. So I don't know what you're talking of. I will never have a relationship. I have to live with that. I will remain as alone as I am now.


I seriously think you're trying to make me angry. I don't think someone could be so out of touch, while missing the point completely. I think you care a lot of what others think of you. You wouldn't be here saying so much of yourself if you didn't.


There is no NT world. It belongs to everyone. Who are you to designate it as someone else's? Then portray yourselves as virtuous protectors of a group outside of it, while concealing the misery that occurs within your own group which allows the elite of that group to live high off the hog, getting the success they want and their choice of activities, while the majority of the group lives in deprivation of those privileges? I'm not trying to be NT. I want what you have. I think it belongs to me. I have no strengths. Nobody had to tell me I lack strengths. I know through trying that I'm impaired.


Why do you have to yell at me to convince me that you're not an enemy? I refuse to accept you as my master. I will not obey.

What negative symptoms?

I wouldn't know, cause I am actually not intelligent.


The jig is up. Your special abilities continue to be admitted and have been admitted for years. You're not fooling anyone. You try to pretend to be modest of your abilities, but seem to think you're talented enough to fool anyone. By the way, the issue is the right of OTHERS to get a cure, not of your decision. Overthinking? I bet you have so much intelligence you don't know what to do with it. Why not let someone else have it if you really are so tired of it?

Oh, you should be very familiar with that.


Nobody is forcing a cure on you.

Who within the spectrum gets the positive aspects? Who benefits? Many on the spectrum are burdened with numerous impairments and aren't getting the positives. The point of cure is to spread out all of the positives/abilities to all on the spectrum, so all get a piece, so nobody has to go without basic abilities.


You are making no sense at all. Disability is not caused by acknowledging it. Disability is a medical condition as confirmed and studied by science. You want segregation. This seems really promising. A group of autistics in one room doesn't enable all of them to be high-functioning. Functioning is determined by the brain. Medical sciences deal with the brain. Butchery of a surgeon's knife? So you want to start a nation that is anti-science and anti-medicine. Wow, I didn't think anyone could really go back to medieval times. Why not burn incense and chant gibberish to make the disability go away, when your pseudo-idealistic plan doesn't work?


Neurocentric? Are you trying to make us a laughing stock for NTs? I bet you don't go around in public pushing such nonsense. I doubt it.


A) Read up on the science involved. I'm not the expert. They wouldn't be attempting this if it weren't possible.
B) It doesn't have to be proven. It couldn't be otherwise. Nobody likes to be impaired.
C) It isn't strictly a disability. The vast abilities aren't evenly distributed among those on the spectrum, leaving many without access to even basic life skills, hence the high and low functioning disparity. Eradication of such a disproportionality is warranted, to result in the elimination of disability that many autistics have. Prove evolution is involved, and that it's choosing such saintly individuals as yourself. Even if it is, how many lives have to be sacrificed into burden and deprivation to enable a few to gain even further intelligence through evolution? What is such an elite caste needed for? I think further evolutionary progress should be planned by society.



You were not purely saying that. You wanted to mislead them into thinking their children would be geniuses, by mentioning famous scientists. Just go ahead, and try to prevent prenatal test based abortions. And without such abortions, the motive for cure can remain and increase in strength.



You're being sanctimonious. You don't want the picture "skewed" to its actual terrible reality. You are pushing for stability in perception of it, to secure your agenda. Look, stop trying to refute me. I made what you said look bad. You can't throw it back at me.

I think you do know. I'm tired of you pretending you can't handle the contentiousness of controversy, while you advocate against progress. Meds/drugs are no less invasive and screwy with the brain. They are quite foreign to the body. The side effects in children are seldom known, and many are administered off label. Some are administered to autistic children to make them docile, not actually improving symptoms. They may help you and some others, but not all.


Financial gain is not a goal. It is an intermediary to getting needed and wanted resources. Production needs to occur to ensure basic needs. Everyone likes having ability to do things. Everyone likes having basic needs met. That is not complicated. Nobody likes being dependent on others financially. You can't even guarantee all will be cared for sufficiently under your system. In the long-term, there should be ways to become independent and not desperately attached to others to get their basic needs met.


Living can't be sustained without production. Living can be easier and enhanced with greater productivity. Time can be saved for leisure and other activities. Without self-sufficiency, one has to depend on this disgusting society. With dependence, one has to often live with those they don't like. Cure will enable happiness.


You're the one acting ignorant. You argue based on lack of knowledge and misconceptions of what is being attempted. You put words in others' mouths. I am speaking for reality. Disability isn't an uncommon experience. There is real insight from experiences. You also talk of your own experiences and view of them, but you try to evade the issue of actual disability. Those who evade the issue of disability are the ones who lack a legitimate way to describe disability in general. You shouldn't be viewing all attempts at a curative goal as threats to your own decisions.

Negative symptoms of autism I have, not going to waste my time trying to prove it to the likes of you.

Also what special abilities? who do you think I am trying to fool and what would be the point fool people about what? Also I've already said if a cure exists I simply don't want it, not that i should have any say in if someone else who does want it should get it or not. Also never said anyone was forcing it on me just that I wouldn't want it cured if you cant wrap your head around that its not my fault.

I don't think your issue is lack of intelligence it seems to be more a lack of maturity and a lot of hate for anyone you disagree with. Maybe you should mellow out and quit being a jerk did you ever think of that?

-Drugs are much less invasive than say neurology altering surgery or a lobotomy that might make a great 'cure' to. But either way I am more comfortable with drugs for symptoms than having my brain neurology re-wired. Why do you keep assuming I think everyone should disagree with being cured just because I personally wouldn't want it? Not sure what it is you are accusing me of pretending.

-Production can still occur with neurodiviersity everyone does not have to have the exact same strengths and weaknesses. Also I don't have a system so not sure where that came from, just saying it is best to ensure people with physical disabilities, mental conditions and whatever have resources and accommodations. Is it some how evil of me to think that to?

Also you talk about a cure like its some sort of deity or god like being 'cure will cause happiness' wtf....I imagine you mean you think a cure would make people happy but I disagree.

Then you can't cite them as a reason why negative symptoms in general shouldn't be a motivation for cure.


I'm not going to repeat this for you. You should know what I'm referring to. If you are willing to allow others to have cure, why do you attack me like anytime I say something on here?


Vitriol towards ideological enemies isn't immature or unnatural. Kindness doesn't stop irrational tyranny. I won't mellow out over fundamental issues of living and livelihood, while some are trying to stop progress by screaming genocide and crackpot theories. I shouldn't be held to a higher standard of niceness while backward ideas are promoted with self-righteousness and hostility. I don't see anything promising in your alternative of pessimism, perpetuation of failure, and misery veneration.

If drugs work for you, they are beneficial for you. But it doesn't work for that many, and doesn't treat the underlying problems like cure would. Studies showing negative side effects often aren't published. Cure doesn't consist of lobotomy and "rewiring". That's not the way the science is describing the neurology involved. You keep saying awful and unsubstantiated things to make cure look bad. That doesn't seem like it's up to choice if it's going to be undermined like that. The advocates who say similar unfounded things, are trying to influence those with decision making power over the issue. You talk to me like I'm a lowlife creep, just for defending the goal.


Production is distorted and inhibited within neurodisparity. If they don't have to have strengths, why do they attempt to do things that require abilities they don't have? I didn't call you evil for anything.


Try to make better insults. Deities don't help anyone. Cure will enable complete liberation and equality. Happiness comes from genuine control over one's life and from mutual cooperation and association. Your "diversity" system is basically the status quo, aside from the calls for accommodation/acceptance. And it doesn't work for the large majority.