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Do you respect the right not to be called Autistic?
Yes - Each Individual Should Choose Identity priority and reference. 72%  72%  [ 23 ]
No - Stigmatize freely for political reasons and without respect to personal choice. 28%  28%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 32

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03 Apr 2011, 1:31 am

It is a sublime or self-perceived ethical obligation to be aborted.
This is a very interesting concern and from society, and also other political issues - such as an ethical obligation to be open for discussion for scientific reasons - it can also be a major part of developing potential in life.

The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and having become derived from society - other political issues such as these are very interesting concerns and it can be argued that as a self-perceived ethical obligation, it is to define autism as simply a difference.

As well as experiences in society of self and as well as a form of preservation of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as simply a difference, such as in prenatal testing, and as simply a form of self that cure is a major part of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as the issue should be aborted.

So I will add to also what I will add, to see if others can add to the container fogs of the undeveloped theory - and reply again soon to also what I understand of the brain fart in a petri dish.


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03 Apr 2011, 1:31 am

ci wrote:
It is possible some that will review these following statements will feel peer pressure not to agree or reply. What I want is the most unusual thing. Debate it, agree with it or revise it but stick on topic. The baby photo avatar man aghog you have some sensibility yet I suspect you may be socially fearful to reply to this..

ANTI-CURE Modality

It is my theory that sometimes self-esteem is a major part of it and as well as experiences in society of rejection when applicable and that cure is the ultimate form of perceived rejection of self by self and from society. Also other political issues such as prenatal testing and a sublime or self-perceived ethical obligation to define autism as simply a difference as a form of preservation of developing life in potential to be aborted. It is a very interesting concern and I believe the issue should be open for discussion for scientific reasons.


Remember, I made a determination not to bring up the polarizing political classifications to avoid endless non-productive discussions.

Self-esteem is not one of those words though. Healthy self-esteem is critical in good social relationships and for psychological well being. Some with autism struggle heavily with self-esteem and it seems evident that some have fairly healthy levels of self-esteem.

Everything you are saying here can be related to one's self esteem as a valuable member of the human race. One cannot separate self esteem from the polarizing political issues you present here.

It is evident personal opinions that you present are integral to your self-esteem also. All conscious people place value on themselves; that is self esteem. A threat to self-esteem is a threat to the value of an individual as human.

In discussing these specific issues they are aimed at the self-esteem of those that have these supporting opinions that are in alignment with the value they see in themselves.

There are objective points here to be made on scientific issues. I suggest that the importance of funding research in the study of Autism cannot be underestimated.

The recent research on prenatal hormonal influence, may motivate some mothers to pay closer attention to stress management along with general prenatal care. When a mother is under high levels of stress, testosterone levels in the womb often rise to higher than normal levels.

Research on oxytocin may lead to treatment for those deficient in this hormone to enhance social interaction; although there are risks to consider, if it becomes FDA approved in the future.

Also, research continues on the value of coping mechanisms to enhance functionality. Studies on music, suggest music can provide an enhancement in verbal emotive function, along with an improvement in understanding and expressing emotions, particularly if one learns a musical instrument.

Studies in the deficiency of the neurochemical dopamine and serotonin among Autistic individuals, can lead one to engage in activities that increase dopamine and serotonin like exercise and reasonable periods of exposure to sunshine.

The benefits of research on Autism goes on and on, and is likely to continue to provide information that can allow one the ability to improve their functionality above and beyond what they may already be satisfied with.

This could reduce the expression of Autism, although it is not likely to eliminate Autism because genetic influence is also seen as a factor. Developmental delays and disability in verbal communication could be affected by this course of action, since excess testosterone in the womb affects brain development.

It is now possible this topic will go on for a very long time with little middle ground. The positive research that is being done on autism is the middle ground, I see, between self-esteem and concern about factors that may influence self-esteem.



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03 Apr 2011, 1:36 am

Cornflake wrote:
It is a sublime or self-perceived ethical obligation to be aborted.
This is a very interesting concern and from society, and also other political issues - such as an ethical obligation to be open for discussion for scientific reasons - it can also be a major part of developing potential in life.

The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and having become derived from society - other political issues such as these are a very interesting concerns and can be argued that as a self-perceived ethical obligation, it is to define autism as simply a difference.

As well as experiences in society of self and as well as a form of preservation of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as simply a difference, such as in prenatal testing, and as simply a form of self that cure is a major part of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as the issue should be aborted.

So I will add to also what I will add, to see if others can add to the container fogs of the undeveloped theory - and reply again soon to also what I understand of the brain fart in a petri dish.


The tub of pooh in this social box is bubbling from the methane extraction already. You two...


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03 Apr 2011, 1:45 am

Cornflake wrote:
It is a sublime or self-perceived ethical obligation to be aborted.
This is a very interesting concern and from society, and also other political issues - such as an ethical obligation to be open for discussion for scientific reasons - it can also be a major part of developing potential in life.


It is a very interesting concerns and as simply a form of the brain fart in life.

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The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and having become derived from society - other political issues such as these are very interesting concerns and it can be argued that as a self-perceived ethical obligation, it is to define autism as simply a difference.


Wrong. The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and it is to define autism as a difference. The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and having become derived from society - other political issues such as simply a self-perceived ethical obligation, it can be argued that as simply a difference.

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As well as experiences in society of self and as well as a form of preservation of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as simply a difference, such as in prenatal testing, and as simply a form of self that cure is a major part of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as the issue should be aborted.


Indeed. As well as experiences in prenatal testing, and as in society of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as in society of self and as simply a form of self that cure is a form of self and as well as simply a major part of self and as in society of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as simply a major part of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as well as well as experiences in society of self.

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So I will add to also what I will add, to see if others can add to the container fogs of the undeveloped theory - and reply again soon to also what I understand of the brain fart in a petri dish.


This is to the undeveloped theory - it can add to be open for discussion for discussion for scientific reasons - such as the issue should be aborted.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:07 am

It is a very interesting concerns and having become derived from society - such as in a petri dish. This is the society of the brain in prenatal testing, and having become derived from society of self as well as simply a very interesting difference. The ultimate form of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as political issues - and having become derived from society, and as simply a major part of self, an ethical autism as a difference.

The ultimate form of self that cure is to also be a major part of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as in a major experiences in society of form as self and from society of self.

As well as simply a difference? Wrong. Methane!

The ultimate form of Cornflake wrote:

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As well as the brain fart in life. It is to be aborted. This is to be open for discussion for discussion for scientific reasons - such as simply a major part of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as well as these are very interesting concerns and reply again soon to be aborted. This is a form of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as in society of self, an ethical obligation to be argued that cure is to define autism as well as simply a petri dish.


This is a major difference, such as simply a form of self, an autism obligation to be open for discussion for aborted reasons - and it can also be aborted.

Indeed. As well as the issue should be a form of applicable self and as a form of the society of the fogs of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem.

This is to define autism as simply a form of rejection, when applicable, and as experiences in prenatal testing, and as well as simply a form of self that cure is a form of.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:13 am

ZeroGravitas wrote:
Wrong. The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and it is to define autism as a difference. The ultimate form of rejection, when applicable, and having become derived from society - other political issues such as simply a self-perceived ethical obligation, it can be argued that as simply a difference.
But then again, other political issues such as prenatal testing and a sublime or self-perceived ethical obligation should be a major part of the preservation of preservation itself. If the issue should be open for discussion, then the discussion must be resolved for ethical or scientific reasons in a petri dish. It is relevant.

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Indeed. As well as experiences in prenatal testing, and as in society of rejection, but sometimes self-esteem as in society of self and as simply a form of self that cure is a form of self and as well as simply a major part of self and as in society of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as simply a major part of self, an ethical obligation to define autism as well as well as experiences in society of self.
Surely, if the ultimate form of preservation of perceived rejection (when applicable) and thus received from society - any such perceived rejection from society should be considered along with fog. But can it be simply a difference, as prenatal testing might indicate, and a form of rejection from society, inclusive of course of other political issues such as experiences in society of developing a self-life in society? I'm not so sure the issue is as clear as it appears above.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:20 am

You two thinking about becoming philosophers? As the saying goes I hit the nail dead center. Meaning this is a core issue of adversity and I think I got it right with one to three more sentences to add. When you two are done scrambling it all up which is likely a form of entertainment I will read it all.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:22 am

Cornflake wrote:
But then again, other political issues such as prenatal testing and a sublime or self-perceived ethical obligation should be a major part of the preservation of preservation itself. If the issue should be open for discussion, then the discussion must be resolved for ethical or scientific reasons in a petri dish. It is relevant.


But then again, other political issues such as prenatal testing. It is relevant. But then the issue should be resolved for relevant ethical or scientific reasons in a petri dish. It is relevant.

But then again, a major part of the discussion must be resolved for ethical or scientific reasons in a petri dish.

But then the discussion must be open for discussion, then the discussion must be resolved for discussion, then the preservation of the discussion must be open for discussion, then the discussion must be open for discussion, then the preservation itself.

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Surely, if the ultimate form of preservation of perceived rejection (when applicable) and thus received from society - any such perceived rejection from society should be considered along with fog. But can it be simply a difference, as prenatal testing might indicate, and a form of rejection from society, inclusive of course of other political issues such as experiences in society of developing a self-life in society? I'm not so sure the issue is as clear as it appears above.


Surely, if the ultimate form of preservation of other political issues such as prenatal testing might indicate, and a difference, as clear as clear as prenatal testing might indicate, and thus received from society, inclusive of preservation of preservation of perceived rejection from society of preservation of perceived rejection from society - any such perceived rejection from society should be simply a difference, as it appears above.

If the issue is as it be considered along with self-life in society? I'm not so sure the issue is as society might indicate, and thus testing from society - any such perceived rejection from autism society should be considered along with difference.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:27 am

* Shakes Cornflake's hand*

I think we have adequately identified and resolved our difference of opinion.

Let's agree to disagree, Cornflake.

As you were, ci.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:30 am

* Tips hat to ZeroGravitas *

I'm so happy we've arrived at a mutual resolution.
It's been a pleasure debating these issues in depth with you.


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03 Apr 2011, 2:45 am

In the interim enjoy this song.

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12 Apr 2011, 6:05 pm

I dislike the Autism Spectrum terminology. They should either rename Autistic Disorder to something else and keep the Autism Spectrum label for all five conditions or rename the Spectrum to something else.

Saying that Asperger's is a "form of autism" is like saying melanoma is a form of leukemia.



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18 Apr 2011, 12:04 pm

This revolution in thinking is coming from all of the years of hard work in the people with disabilities movement. It is called the "people first" approach. I like it personally, and continue to tell people about it. I am not epileptic; I am a person with a seizure disorder. I am not Autistic; I am a person who is on the spectrum.



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This revolution in thinking is coming from all of the years of hard work in the people with disabilities movement. It is called the "people first" approach. I like it personally, and continue to tell people about it. I am not epileptic; I am a person with a seizure disorder. I am not Autistic; I am a person who is on the spectrum.


Fantastic approach.


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07 May 2011, 4:12 pm

I voted no by accident.

I'm an AS and that is a part of me.
I would rather be called an autist than different



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07 May 2011, 5:00 pm

I have what is called "autism" as well. But autism is a man made concept to describe a disorder. I choose to just think of myself as me. I wouldn't want for me to be called "autistic man" because why would I want to be quite similarly and in implied meaning called "disordered man". As a result I also have little desire to redefine the disorder and just realize it is a label to help rather then otherwise.


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