autism supremacy is a need
I know. It is a very difficult situation.
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I know. It is a very difficult situation.
It is also complicated by the fact that NTs just exist to try to ruin people's lives. If you tell them something it is just fuel that they will use against you. I've seen it happen before and I have been teased and bullied the same way no matter what kinds of speeches and presentations people give.
You do understand autism is a relatively new thing and the adults who make the rules or these bullies MIGHT have autism as well? My dad and 2 brothers never got diagnosed but I see a lot of it in them. Again, branding an entire group of people as hostile only leads to terrible decisions and bad policies. Anyone can make bad, terrible, or even "evil" decisions. You cannot just do it in return when you get power and expect things to be alright.
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I know. It is a very difficult situation.
It is also complicated by the fact that NTs just exist to try to ruin people's lives. If you tell them something it is just fuel that they will use against you. I've seen it happen before and I have been teased and bullied the same way no matter what kinds of speeches and presentations people give.
Yeah going up against employment inclusion that I happen to head is not going to work and I can only hope others attempt to. All I can say is bring it on because it will backfire. Some of the meanest people in autism advocacy and in fact compared to the mainstream bully type of individuals are in the self-advocacy community though a minority. They say things to reduce your self-esteem because of their idea of autism and how it should be portrayed like "you mom brought you around town for others to feel sorry for you. You sound kind of like Donna Williams that had nothing positive to say about the website design yet people I know compliment it. People have different styles and that's the only way I know. In the future I would very much like to hire another person with autism to take on the responsibility of webdesign and programming.
ASAN has used the anger of others like making others believe folks are bigots when they are not to gain loyalty. Of younger minds they have instilled the idea a disorder label and concept is part of their identity and negativity towards it is bigotry. In some respects they and those like them have created some of the problems they seek to resolve. They use abortion to attempt to control the image of autism evading the human rights to treatment advancements with potential entire remedy for some or more symptoms others choose to have cured or treated. A vast majority of people with autism do not know of them, an untold with autism don't agree with them and the divisive agenda is fairly transparent yes. What I'm calling for is more open credited debate between people with autism and ASAN so ASAN might change some.
Enough about myself though. I'm wondering when you will quite your hate toward individuals like my mother who are what you consider an N.T. Every-time I see that word people I know who have been positive and nice toward me seem like they are getting hated on. I think some folks should be seen as haters themselves and I know some people have had a hard life.
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I know. It is a very difficult situation.
It is also complicated by the fact that NTs just exist to try to ruin people's lives. If you tell them something it is just fuel that they will use against you. I've seen it happen before and I have been teased and bullied the same way no matter what kinds of speeches and presentations people give.
Take accountability for your own actions and behaviors.
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I do not know who is worse here:
1.) aspie48 having anti-NT feelings on the scale of the antisemitism of Nazi Germany, or
2.) ci and his 'advocacy' tactics
It unfortunately is a tough call.
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I know. It is a very difficult situation.
It is also complicated by the fact that NTs just exist to try to ruin people's lives. If you tell them something it is just fuel that they will use against you. I've seen it happen before and I have been teased and bullied the same way no matter what kinds of speeches and presentations people give.
Take accountability for your own actions and behaviors.
NTsdont have sould so don't worry about it. They just don't think as well as we do. I doubt an NT would be able to have your gift of debating and crookery ci. If only you would see that and use it to your advantage and help autistic people move forward.
Did you forget to mention yourself. I am very reasonable and what I say is researched and I ask others for their opinion. Do you want me to just try and fit in and not raise a fuss every so often. Life is not that fun then. Going along with aspie politics is not the same as going along with all self-advocacy politics. I think online people should realize that. Everyone has tactics it's called having an opinion. Your tactics seem to not so much define your views but perhaps because you feel threatened I will disagree just go up against mine. So why don't you take your time and outline your major autism advocacy concerns and we can have a civil and constructive conversation.
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That as well. Thank goodness anti-bullying campaigns are in effect...somewhat.
And a lot of those are a joke.....its a nice thought but its not working, I mean I have been done with highschool since 2008....but I know some people who are still high school aged who went to my highschool(up until they where either kicked out or decided to drop out based on how they where treated by the school staff and sometimes students). For instance they litterally try to make peoples lives hell. Like this girl was telling me they actually 'take' students credits meaning they go to class, get the grade and get the credit and then if the staff does not like something the person does or just does not like them in general they will erase the credits these kids earned. So much for their anti-bullying policies.
and you see that just sounds exactly like something NTs would do. I would say if there is no needless social interaction then there is no problem.
Well some of those people I know who things like that have happened to are NT's, some of them have symptoms of things other then aspergers/autism but I am not sure if you would classify people with other mental conditions as NTs or not.
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I know. It is a very difficult situation.
It is also complicated by the fact that NTs just exist to try to ruin people's lives. If you tell them something it is just fuel that they will use against you. I've seen it happen before and I have been teased and bullied the same way no matter what kinds of speeches and presentations people give.
Take accountability for your own actions and behaviors.
I hope you are not implying its someones fault if they are teased and bullied...as someone who suffered that I cannot help but be slightly offended by that assumption even if it is directed at someone else.
I know. It is a very difficult situation.
It is also complicated by the fact that NTs just exist to try to ruin people's lives. If you tell them something it is just fuel that they will use against you. I've seen it happen before and I have been teased and bullied the same way no matter what kinds of speeches and presentations people give.
Take accountability for your own actions and behaviors.
NTsdont have sould so don't worry about it. They just don't think as well as we do. I doubt an NT would be able to have your gift of debating and crookery ci. If only you would see that and use it to your advantage and help autistic people move forward.
Thanks for the compliment but at the same time I don't make a paycheck and so I cannot steal anything. Even so it's been the tactic of pride-mites to claim the such of others who disagree with them. It comes from the abortion agenda because compassion is a conspiracy to commit murder. Any image of autism in society projected by an organization that is not dictated by pride but compassionate is a threat ot the image of autism for reasons of abortion. Case closed.
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1.) aspie48 having anti-NT feelings on the scale of the antisemitism of Nazi Germany, or
2.) ci and his 'advocacy' tactics
It unfortunately is a tough call.
I don't think i really hate like a nazi it is unfair to make such a comparison. I havent said or done anything wrong. I am sticking up for myself and inviting others to join me. What about that makes me a nazi? i don't understand people like you sometimes. using dirty debating tactics like comparing others to nazis, theres already enough OMG OBAMA/BUSH IS A NAZI!! !! without accusing people who just want to make a way in life of being a nazi.
I'm sorry, I am not sure if that was for me or aspie48. I am pretty sure it was not towards me since you know I will not give you a civil and constructive conversation on this matter.
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Perhaps you got a taste of what it feels like to be called nasty names like you do to others but you are not a bully. It might be that some who are bullied become the bullies. Instead I like to make humor out of it. Take a look at this Hitler video.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq8fDBASyyY[/youtube]
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1.) aspie48 having anti-NT feelings on the scale of the antisemitism of Nazi Germany, or
2.) ci and his 'advocacy' tactics
It unfortunately is a tough call.
I don't think i really hate like a nazi it is unfair to make such a comparison. I havent said or done anything wrong. I am sticking up for myself and inviting others to join me. What about that makes me a nazi? i don't understand people like you sometimes. using dirty debating tactics like comparing others to nazis, theres already enough OMG OBAMA/BUSH IS A NAZI!! !! without accusing people who just want to make a way in life of being a nazi.
Pick up a history textbook. The names changed, but the hatred didn't. You want concentration camps. My point is bolstered because no one questioned me the first time I did it.
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