Grrrr, vaccine ARE connected with autism. >.< That's a

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Again, how old are you??

... and how would this be a useful item of information?
Would it prove that TLPG was incapable of having any knowledge because he is younger than you?
Or might it be with the hope that he is as senile as me?

(I have some extremely strong views on ageism. You just don't want to go there.)

Am I to blame for this flame war?

But in my opinion, I don't think it matters that vaccines cause autism. It's better to vaccinate your kids anyway because you can't DIE from autism. Parents need to think it's better to have an autistic kid than a deadly diseased kid right? Isn't autism more like socially deprived?

Try telling that to the mercury militia, Chimchar. There are fools who actually believe that Autism is WORSE than said diseases. I know one who would prefer Whooping Cough on their baby than Autism!!

Wow, very ridiculous. I need to research this further. I think I want to read articles from a NT Parent's point of view.

Some parents are selfish, they just want the "ideal" child so they can conform to society's standards.

Not at all, I'm just curious - the whole "omg pwned! Strike one to *insert name*! She's got you! That's a strike!" etc is something I haven't encountered since I was much, much younger... early high school. It didn't bother me then and it doesn't bother me now, I just find it strange that someone with AS who I would assume encountered it in people speaking against them or bullying them in their younger days (as most of us probably have done, such is the nature of aspergers) would still be using that kind of terminology here. It doesn't do a lot to strengthen one's argument when they start going on like that in a way more usual in young teenagers than debating adults.

When you asked the same question before, on another thread, he replied "That's irrelevant and none of your business", which struck me as a perfectly reasonable response. Why press for an answer a second time, when you had already received an answer?

Our local newspaper carried a very interesting article yesterday, originally written by the New York Times (I believe), about why the increase in those choosing exemptions from vaccinations is raising alarms within the medical community. I think what struck me the most, and that has not entered the conversation here, is that some 25% (if I recall correctly) of those recently infected in a southern California measels outbreak were too young to have been vaccinated. It is all fine and good to rely on the effect of the majority around you being vaccinated, and to say you are willing to take that risk within your family, but what about those infants and toddlers that now become exposed, who would not have otherwise? The outbreaks do NOT, apparently, only infect those who choose not to vaccinate; they also infect the most vulnerable members of our society. I had never considered this, to be honest. I will still hold to the right of individual families to make decisions within their own value system, but the idea that infants and toddlers outside the family are put at risk by that choice needs to be understood and very heavily weighted.

I would provide a link but I could not quickly find the article. Perhaps someone else can.

Public Health Risk Seen as Parents Reject Vaccines

I Googled for "nyt California measels" - it came at the top.

Lol, I was about to tease you for not giving us the link, when I realized you've done it the FANCY way. THANK YOU for finding it.

It's interesting, I think the version I read was edited a bit differently (parts taken out), but it is definitely the same article.

I read through the start of the comments. The 25th one (at the time, out of 431) was signed in the most ambiguous way as: "A physician who on principle has never vaccinated anyone and never will, Arizona" and made some insane comments. It finished with a link to the "Australian Vaccine Network", which should be read as "Australian Anti-Vaccine Network", where I wandered through a bunch of misinformation. I managed to find all the standard "I caught autism from the MMR jab" stuff, plus traces of Dr Wakefield (who was effectively ejected fro the UK for malpractice, with a "Fitness to Practice" hearing before the GMC coming soon!).

what spectrum do you think they are talking about? LFA? HFA? Or the Aspies?

Hadn't seen that response (and questions were asked at the same time - one thread I though hadn't posted as my internet cut out in the process; my fault for not checking back!), so sorry. And I agree on ageism... been a victim of that many a time before; I think a distinction should always be made between 'physical age' and 'mental age'. If only there was a way to measure it. I digress!!

What spectrum? What do you MEAN 'what spectrum'? We're all the same, didn't you know - there is no variation.


(Such a valid question; shame so many people beyond the ASD world get misled by the touted '1 in 150' statistic and don't bother to think about the fact that there is so much variation in abilities along the scale...).

That digression proves I was right in telling you to mind your own business. You weren't just curious - you were looking for a way to get at me. And I don't play that game - especially with someone who is clearly getting their tail kicked on this board by several people.

Yeah, especially since both of my children have autism and they were born after 2001.