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29 Jun 2011, 9:11 pm

The issue is the rather small percentage of the population that fancies themselves normal....yeah that is right in sociology I learned in reality there are more 'deviants' then 'normies' however the laws and social norms tend to point to the idea that the majority should be acting like this rather small percentage of normies and are 'evil deviants' if they do not. So yeah I don't think its an aspergers/autistic vs. neurotypical conflict I think it is more of a opression vs the oppressed type conflict if that makes any sense.

Also that would mean people with aspergers, autism or any other mental conditions and neurtypicals to stand together and do something about it......if you get divided over things like race, what brain wiring someone has, what mental illness they have, or how tall they are for instance that just gives the oppressers more power because they have us divided and weak basically.

But yeah that is my opinion on all of this.



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29 Jun 2011, 9:12 pm

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Did you forget to mention yourself. I am very reasonable and what I say is researched and I ask others for their opinion. Do you want me to just try and fit in and not raise a fuss every so often. Life is not that fun then. Going along with aspie politics is not the same as going along with all self-advocacy politics. I think online people should realize that. Everyone has tactics it's called having an opinion. Your tactics seem to not so much define your views but perhaps because you feel threatened I will disagree just go up against mine. So why don't you take your time and outline your major autism advocacy concerns and we can have a civil and constructive conversation.


I'm sorry, I am not sure if that was for me or aspie48. I am pretty sure it was not towards me since you know I will not give you a civil and constructive conversation on this matter.


Well I cannot debate if you are too threatened. If you are civil at first we might find common ground. Most of what I've done on this website is get peoples attention to make VERY few points. So why don't you try. I'm not like the people that you discribe in your signature every-time you post.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:14 pm

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The issue is the rather small percentage of the population that fancies themselves normal....yeah that is right in sociology I learned in reality there are more 'deviants' then 'normies' however the laws and social norms tend to point to the idea that the majority should be acting like this rather small percentage of normies and are 'evil deviants' if they do not. So yeah I don't think its an aspergers/autistic vs. neurotypical conflict I think it is more of a opression vs the oppressed type conflict if that makes any sense.

Also that would mean people with aspergers, autism or any other mental conditions and neurtypicals to stand together and do something about it......if you get divided over things like race, what brain wiring someone has, what mental illness they have, or how tall they are for instance that just gives the oppressers more power because they have us divided and weak basically.

But yeah that is my opinion on all of this.


Sociology is an interesting science.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

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I do not know who is worse here:

1.) aspie48 having anti-NT feelings on the scale of the antisemitism of Nazi Germany, or

2.) ci and his 'advocacy' tactics

It unfortunately is a tough call.

I don't think i really hate like a nazi it is unfair to make such a comparison. I havent said or done anything wrong. I am sticking up for myself and inviting others to join me. What about that makes me a nazi? i don't understand people like you sometimes. using dirty debating tactics like comparing others to nazis, theres already enough OMG OBAMA/BUSH IS A NAZI!! !! without accusing people who just want to make a way in life of being a nazi.


Claiming autism superiority is nazi like.......because the Nazis where claiming white germanic superiority, so maybe you where not meaning to come off that way but that is what such a statement looks like to most people. From your comments in this thread it seems more like you are just sick of being wronged by people and are not really advocating for the destruction of all neurotypicals but the initial post did come off as a little bit nazi like.



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29 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

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Perhaps you got a taste of what it feels like to be called nasty names like you do to others but you are not a bully. It might be that some who are bullied become the bullies


I just think getting a taste of your own medicine is a good thing every once in a while. You should not confuse bullying with wielding a weapon of righteousness.

`The things in my sig were said about me by the way. And I am not threatened, I just know talking to you is essentially pointless except for a jab every once in a while.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:17 pm

ci wrote:
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The issue is the rather small percentage of the population that fancies themselves normal....yeah that is right in sociology I learned in reality there are more 'deviants' then 'normies' however the laws and social norms tend to point to the idea that the majority should be acting like this rather small percentage of normies and are 'evil deviants' if they do not. So yeah I don't think its an aspergers/autistic vs. neurotypical conflict I think it is more of a opression vs the oppressed type conflict if that makes any sense.

Also that would mean people with aspergers, autism or any other mental conditions and neurtypicals to stand together and do something about it......if you get divided over things like race, what brain wiring someone has, what mental illness they have, or how tall they are for instance that just gives the oppressers more power because they have us divided and weak basically.

But yeah that is my opinion on all of this.


Sociology is an interesting science.


Yeah it is pretty great, it goes good with psychology as well.



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29 Jun 2011, 9:18 pm

Yeah see you don't want to get along. That's the problem with some self-advocates. My intent is to get along with more positive approaches. You also hate N.T's. There is no reasoning with this kind of style. Unless your willing to outline a few or even one issues we can go ahead and discuss it logically.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:19 pm

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Perhaps you got a taste of what it feels like to be called nasty names like you do to others but you are not a bully. It might be that some who are bullied become the bullies


I just think getting a taste of your own medicine is a good thing every once in a while. You should not confuse bullying with wielding a weapon of righteousness.


wielding a weapon of righteousness actually kind of sounds just as bad if not worse then bullying...



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29 Jun 2011, 9:20 pm

ci wrote:
Yeah see you don't want to get along. That's the problem with some self-advocates. My intent is to get along with more positive approaches. You also hate N.T's. There is no reasoning with this kind of style. Unless your willing to outline a few or even one issues we can go ahead and discuss it logically.


You have to use quotes. Again, not sure who you are talking to.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:21 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Perhaps you got a taste of what it feels like to be called nasty names like you do to others but you are not a bully. It might be that some who are bullied become the bullies


I just think getting a taste of your own medicine is a good thing every once in a while. You should not confuse bullying with wielding a weapon of righteousness.


wielding a weapon of righteousness actually kind of sounds just as bad if not worse then bullying...


That just came off the top of my head actually. Couldn't think of anything else to describe it.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:22 pm

Heh. Religion. I went to a Christian school once. Much calmer and sensory neutral then crazy public school.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:23 pm

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Heh. Religion. I went to a Christian school once. Much calmer and sensory neutral then crazy public school.


I would imagine so.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:30 pm

I think Aspie48 was right that a lot of people were on the fence about the abortion issue until it directly affected autistics. After a prenatal screening the doctor will tell the pregnant woman that the only good autistic is an autistic that will never be born and that an abortion of the autistic fetus is the only sensible alternative to preserve the health of the Mother.

Unless we have bought into the self hating ret*d lie, which at best is an illusion, autism supremacy is who we are regardless of whether or not we participate in autistic pride parades. This is true simply because autistics operate on a genius level which really annoys insecure neurotypical people. I desperately thought a solution to this problem because I could not come up with a solution without being myself yet I wanted to get along with others. The solution was for me to allow neurotypical people to be a source of inspiration for me. I would take a neurotypical idea and although their ideas were primitive and undeveloped I would enhance their ideas to my level of genius complexity in order to minimize the insultation and maximize the flattery while of course being geniunely sincere.



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29 Jun 2011, 9:31 pm

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Yeah see you don't want to get along. That's the problem with some self-advocates. My intent is to get along with more positive approaches. You also hate N.T's. There is no reasoning with this kind of style. Unless your willing to outline a few or even one issues we can go ahead and discuss it logically.


You have to use quotes. Again, not sure who you are talking to.


Sure we can work on separating issues within the self-advocacy community from one another.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:34 pm

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I think Aspie48 was right that a lot of people were on the fence about the abortion issue until it directly affected autistics. After a prenatal screening the doctor will tell the pregnant woman that the only good autistic is an autistic that will never be born and that an abortion of the autistic fetus is the only sensible alternative to preserve the health of the Mother.

Unless we have bought into the self hating ret*d lie, which at best is an illusion, autism supremacy is who we are regardless of whether or not we participate in autistic pride parades. This is true simply because autistics operate on a genius level which really annoys insecure neurotypical people. I desperately thought a solution to this problem because I could not come up with a solution without being myself yet I wanted to get along with others. The solution was for me to allow neurotypical people to be a source of inspiration for me. I would take a neurotypical idea and although their ideas were primitive and undeveloped I would enhance their ideas to my level of genius complexity in order to minimize the insultation and maximize the flattery while of course being geniunely sincere.


Well I just have a gift for the abstract reasoning in part. Other people are good at other things like grammar, spelling and social networking. The world to me is not based on diagnostic labels because even within the collective of individuals with autism you got so many different minds. This notion of superiority is the kind that constantly thinks it's better to not feel inferior when applicable. To me the whole notion is mentally wasteful but for some needed for a time I guess.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:35 pm

ci wrote:
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Yeah see you don't want to get along. That's the problem with some self-advocates. My intent is to get along with more positive approaches. You also hate N.T's. There is no reasoning with this kind of style. Unless your willing to outline a few or even one issues we can go ahead and discuss it logically.


You have to use quotes. Again, not sure who you are talking to.


Sure we can work on separating issues within the self-advocacy community from one another.


That was not my request, but knowing you I was going to get something like that, so I am satisfied with your response. Thank you.


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