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Humor is a a very powerful weapon.

Pull my finger!

Ci , I got to thinking about all this supremecy stuff. I was wondering , maybe we all go through a stage where we need to think we are superior to get by in a crappy situation. It's a common human trait whatever the neurology. We just get more crap than some. NT's get it bad as well and other things dehumanize them.

In the West one niggle is the way we are treated and regarded by professionals .

So The real tools to equalize this sitaution ,

I think are

a) To take the accademic models on and deconstruct them- we are good at this-and ensure its valid and demonstrate we are just as clued up as they are ,

b) Try to use humor to show we are very bit as worthwhile and respectworthy as they believe themselves and their peers to be. Maybe try and change the langauge they use sometimes-Pathology and sub group sound a bit well sort of how can I put this without invoking goodwins law...

Now you know I'm a mild sociopath so not understanding the rules of how professions work etc, what I've done is start
a thread, and it examines how a particular professional's demeanor or attitudes or experiences and preconceptions may shape the nature of their research and how this may impact on us. Then I've used the rules of their study to investigate thse issues with, they become the subject of their own investigative systems.

It's fun and I'm sure these professional guys have every bit of a sense of humor that we do.

Meme.

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This all is tied into (functionalism) in combination with socio-cultural expectations and in part tolerance. One could denote skills are not developed at times or in part other times because of a failure to merge people types culturally and socially as a collective adaption for a more universal benefit. It is complicated because if a standard functional expectation is well expected then a more efficient society collectively adapts together rather then solely and wholly deeming others somehow unacceptable in premise. However it can in part by separating and classifying others as disabled attempt to correct as a means of adaption. Though again we cannot view collectively this to be a principle of socio-cultural rejection a society can be more efficient by embracing differences as worthy of inclusion by supporting it. The personal instinct is driven by individual means over that of collective adaptations as a mechanism of protectionism more often then not which is perhaps a human condition defect as compared to a more beneficial societal efficiency collectively.

Do you understand what I wrote?

A conversation like this could go on a very long time. We are speaking of the very frameworks all humans experience, are conditioned and or influenced by and the governing reality of evolutionary co-existences. The psychological mechanisms by which all humans survive driven by personal instinct. The collective vs. the personal driven focuses can tend to conflict.

Your question was nearly the same difference if asked the other way around.

that aspie guy is out of his mind -.-

He's not out of his mind. He's an Aspie trying to do one thing well. Thing is there's about hundred things that need doing simultaneous to what he's doing to make an impact.

To me , and this might just be my take on things so stand back and evaluate, if haven't got any power then you are at the
mercy of professionals who have finacial pressures imposed on them by the next group up in the human heirarchy. They might try to be ethical but the guys above them will be pressuring them with all kinds of crap. Banks drug companies, assessement /evaluation systems etc , it all becomes a free for all and you get this group of money men and women ,administrators riding on our backs and the health care professionals backs. That's what happens in the UK, some guy gets a nice new Range Rover and few years down the line the guys genuinely wanting to constructively help advance groups like us get their funding cut.

Rights have got to be enforced by the groups the medical and caring professionals working with us otherwise it all turns a bit surreal and even nasty.

It doesn't have to happen like this especially not with guys like us.

I don't want world domination just an equal set of social relations in my social network based on respect and understanding earned..At the same time I had a crap experience growing up and somehow I think a combination of medications, social learning programmes and broadening awareness can have a constructive impact on us as individual and the social networks in which we live and another generation doesn't have to go through that.

That happens by us reinforcing a basic principle , It can't work otherwise, we are not patients pathologies or sub groups
because the moment anyone gos down that road you loose the equality in the relationship between us and the professionals trying to assist in the advancement . Those catagories were orginally necessary for them to mentally deal with us, they don't need them anymore, as psychological defences and they need to be weaned off them . If we do all want to evolve then it's a two way process. We need to back these guys up when the guys above them start trying to pressure them to do NT stuff .

Unfortunately at this stage in their evolution NT health-caring professionals need a little slap every now and them to remind them we are fully human beings . This is especially when making the "do I agree with the guys pressuring me from above or the AS guys needs" calculation.

Humor is one way of reminding an NT you are fully human without hurting them. They should also be reminded we too have a strong sense of humor. Note Ci posting an image of a lady lighting a fart.



Meme

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Thinking I am superior to me is foolish and wasteful. It's an essential ego thing. I'm thinking perhaps there are the pride superiorists, the treatment rights folks and then there are the wise aspies. I am a wise aspie. That makes me a wise a$$. See humor of myself!

Ommm

Ci read the post again .

I don't think anyone is inately foolish , well not totally

This superiority thing has a very real basis and is a shield often in a very bad place for a lot of folk. I don't blame no one for feeling this way.

Problem is some professionals and the class above the professionals and the guys above them have the same problem, and they have the power to define other peoples lives , roles and experiences, to an extent.

Yes yes yes. To me however the psychological reasoning is so obvious that I cannot bother much with it. Some of it though does attempt to interfere with others rights. For the sake of the image of autism and self image others will at times bully the hell out of others with autism for wanting or supporting a cure premise and some kinds of inclusion advocacy that does not fit the bill of superiority of mind as a race of autistic.

Its a two way process . You stepped into what we call the sh*t sandwich in the UK. One the one hand you are dealing with pressures from the heirarchy above you. On the other you have the pressures of self advocacy groups. You took the role so don't b***h.

Now I guess you are a bit like me I get driven nuts when someone can't see my point of view especially when its so rational and compelling to me. Add to that the advocacy guys who also get nuts when you can't see their point of view. So we got two groups who could work real well together if they stop the hell arguing .

History and evolution is made better when the guys confronting the bad stuff in the social economic heirarchy figure out
how to make a concerted coherent effort. Look at what happend in Ireland. You had one bunch of guys doing the negotiating for political , social and economic rights. Another group was pressuring the heirarchy at strategic points and backing the negotiating guys up . That's an extreme example but it's the simple model of social change. No need or violence here, just degrees of cooperation and back up were not trying to liberate a country.

If you don't do this ,those with economic and social interests in the existing system will play you off and neutralize any effectiveness you have in order to keep their position. Then maybe we'll have to wait for another generation to figure this out.

for all of us then we can move on from where we are now.

I'm lone wolf here I don't belong to any group , but if we all direct our efforts towards a loose mutually agreeable strategy then we are stronger and genuinely so.

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Sorry about the spelling - My little Mac finally died. I mentioned to my kids I needed a computer, and I now got four
donated PCs from my kids and their mates and I am trying to figure out how to use them.

The strategy I use simply is not ill received or dismissed by professionals. The compromise comes with individual dignities as opposed to a disorder label perceived rightfully as a disability. Even so one is born with it and it is a difference and a rightful way of being but yet one an individual has the right to change. individuals seeking to remodel the image of autism and thus remove the understanding of it so that change is possible treatment wise, in accommodation and social services are rightfully compromised in philosophy. It's going to take allot more then some teenagers and a twenty year old something to convince me that changing the understanding of the disorder in public relations that seeks to treat and potentially cure the hardships does not compromise that resolve and human right. It all comes down to a cultural problem with perceiving a disorder a certain way to resolve hardship and is not isolated to autism awareness but a vast many other disorders and causes.

I never said your strategy was ill received or dismissed.

Every individual has the right to change with dignity . Every group of individuals has the right to challenge and change the social and economic factors that act in tandem with their innate differences to exclude them from basic levels participation in that society.

Two sides, same unit of currency.

What you all need is clearer vision .

I do not function with other autism self-advocacy groups and lean toward general developmental disability self-advocacy and inclusion. The autism self-advocacy community has to many problems and is to distracted over small matters. I do not like the anger and failure to resolve to more positive and creative solution making for those more so isolated\left out but prominently the egocentric look at me proud pride folk dismissing the others as curebees. Democracy enabled voting based self-advocacy groups if ASAN were to convert I'd then support and partake. Until then it's to me a risk and disaster.