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AlanTuring
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23 Sep 2011, 11:40 am
23 Sep 2011, 11:46 am
Not him, other people. Do you need me to link where people made bullying statements towards Tambourine? Also just because something happens on the internet it doesn't change the definition of bullying. Or do you mean bullying as defined by rapacious trolls? I guess that would be the sort of definition made by someone telling me to 'lurk moar'.
>>Implying I'm troll. Not that I've ever denied it though. Besides if one can't handle aggressive detractors they're not cut out for the world of PR.
No, this isn't about agressive detractors, this is about demagogy and lying. it is about assaulting someone and calling them condescending because they posted an interview that they had with autism speaks. In the end it is nothing more than a cowardly attack by people who have a deep-seated and irrational hatred of something that they can only bring it upon themselves to call someone names for having exposed them to someone's views and not use it as an actual opportunity to do something right.
And anyways why would I need to imply that you're saomething when you're not denying it? Then I am just referring to you as you see yourself. So yeah, great one.
And this all concerns you so passionately because? You're making yourself sound suspicious now as you've obsessive tendency to jump for Autism Speak's defence is becoming obvious. Why have such a personal investment into this, are you involved with Autism Speaks or contributed to the interview? Because you certainly making yourself sound like you are. If not, no offence but you're coming off as an agent.
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23 Sep 2011, 1:57 pm
Ok. I've been busy...
This is a listing of all AFF threads started by user 'tambourine-man':
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/search. ... 516b4a5419
#1 "A link to an article I wrote for Heartspring's Worldwide Autism Resource"
http://www.heartspring.org/care/blogpos ... -my-latest
Nice to Meet You, Can We Talk About My Latest Obsessions?
-- Nicely written and a typical "this is what it's like" description as may be found on WP.
The comments are positive too.
From the comments to that blog: http://www.nakedcitywichita.com/2011/08 ... l-my-life/
where have i been all my life
-- Much the same thing as above, and the part about the antique diving suit particularly resonated with me.
From the comments to that story: http://www.heartspring.org/care/blog
Inside Out: Through the Eyes of Autism
-- Excellent, and I've bookmarked it too.
Love, Asperger Syndrome and the Big Apple
-- I enjoyed reading it. Maybe a little hackneyed in parts ("her pale green eyes glowing in the dim lamplight"), but then again he's not a gnarled, gin-swigging author with years of experience.
#2 "Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying?"
-- Seems to be pretty typical thread chatter about a few Autism-related films.
#3 "He Touched Me: or The Misadventures of an Aspie in Church"
-- A good story which made me laugh.
Comments are positive.
#4 "All God's Children: Celebrating Diversity in Neurology"
-- A really nice observation.
First comment: "These articles really give this site a kind of vibrance that I've never seen it have. It's really great work and I mean that."
Second comment (from an administrator) "That's why I'm sticking them up on the front page."
Later, a perfectly reasonable suggestion from Scotty: "I think it would be cool if there was a News and Features column immediately visible on the homepage, with photos and links to the articles (the links would make it easier to find the articles without scrolling down, and the articles wouldn't have to be on the front page in their entirety, maybe just a teaser...)"
#5 "Six Beloved Fictional Characters with Undiagnosed Mental Disorders"
-- A two-post thread, speculating on the Aspie status of fictional characters.
Obviously a joke.
#6 "Two genes associated with autism have been located..."
-- Starts with a link to a page on "The Australian", which opens with: "RESEARCHERS have for the first time identified two biologically different strains of autism in a major breakthrough being compared with the discovery of different forms of cancer in the 1960s."
Subsequent comments then ridicule the reported claims. Scotty posts "What kills me, is that these articles are always written with such a chipper and helpful tone. No one reading this, who isn't otherwise informed, would ever know the difference."
#7 "Love, Asperger Syndrome, and the Big Apple"
-- (same story as linked via #1)
Supportive, humourous comments.
#8 "Speaking and Listening"
-- Announcing the likely posting date of the Autism Speaks interview, with an introductory post.
The er, "fun" starts with post 16 from cynara querying how a post was deleted, and the tone changes suddenly at post 23. cynara (at least) seems to be feeling threatened.
At post 31, Scotty offers an explanation of his unrequested post deleting abilities.
At post 36, user 'Bloke' objects to the whole introductory post and picks it apart.
At post 50, user 'Kakapo' claims Scotty is the anti-christ. Apparently seriously.
At post 53, cynara tells user 'Halfspie' to "STFU. The ability to remove your posts is not allowed for a reason. Use a little brain function to think about it instead of taking the piss and you would realise why."
Between these rather aggressive posts are some positive comments.
#9 "Report from the DSM-V Work Group"
-- Appears to be a straightforward discussion over 7 posts.
#10 "Autism Speaks"
-- The interview is posted.
First comment (from an administrator) says: "Excuse me whilst I overdose on Doubleplusungoodspeak."
There are some positive comments but eventually the whole thread collapses into (I'm paraphrasing) cries of "they're lying", general libel, and attacks on Scotty and his sister.
Throughout this, some users still attempt to indicate the positive aspects of engaging with Autism Speaks but they're drowned out.
(also an administrator posts (WRT post deletions) "Don't do that again; Only Mod and upwards are supposed to be able to remove posts." - as if this is Scotty's fault?)
Throughout, Scotty largely keeps to the positive approach but is forced into defence mode eventually.
The thread ends up locked on post 183 by an administrator.
Now, have I missed something here? Please point it out to me if I have.
I just see very likeable and incredibly enthusiastic young guy with a burgeoning talent for writing which is apparently well-liked - until what's seemingly the "unforgivable sin" of publishing what Autism Speaks has to say is committed, when all hell breaks loose.
Where was he "bad" - I mean really, genuinely bad enough to warrant the treatment he's received here and at AFF?
(I have to go and eat now - this has taken hours... 
)
23 Sep 2011, 2:03 pm
23 Sep 2011, 2:07 pm
This is a listing of all AFF threads started by user 'tambourine-man':
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/search. ... 516b4a5419
#1 "A link to an article I wrote for Heartspring's Worldwide Autism Resource"
http://www.heartspring.org/care/blogpos ... -my-latest
Nice to Meet You, Can We Talk About My Latest Obsessions?
-- Nicely written and a typical "this is what it's like" description as may be found on WP.
The comments are positive too.
From the comments to that blog: http://www.nakedcitywichita.com/2011/08 ... l-my-life/
where have i been all my life
-- Much the same thing as above, and the part about the antique diving suit particularly resonated with me.
From the comments to that story: http://www.heartspring.org/care/blog
Inside Out: Through the Eyes of Autism
-- Excellent, and I've bookmarked it too.
Love, Asperger Syndrome and the Big Apple
-- I enjoyed reading it. Maybe a little hackneyed in parts ("her pale green eyes glowing in the dim lamplight"), but then again he's not a gnarled, gin-swigging author with years of experience.
#2 "Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying?"
-- Seems to be pretty typical thread chatter about a few Autism-related films.
#3 "He Touched Me: or The Misadventures of an Aspie in Church"
-- A good story which made me laugh.
Comments are positive.
#4 "All God's Children: Celebrating Diversity in Neurology"
-- A really nice observation.
First comment: "These articles really give this site a kind of vibrance that I've never seen it have. It's really great work and I mean that."
Second comment (from an administrator) "That's why I'm sticking them up on the front page."
Later, a perfectly reasonable suggestion from Scotty: "I think it would be cool if there was a News and Features column immediately visible on the homepage, with photos and links to the articles (the links would make it easier to find the articles without scrolling down, and the articles wouldn't have to be on the front page in their entirety, maybe just a teaser...)"
#5 "Six Beloved Fictional Characters with Undiagnosed Mental Disorders"
-- A two-post thread, speculating on the Aspie status of fictional characters.
Obviously a joke.
#6 "Two genes associated with autism have been located..."
-- Starts with a link to a page on "The Australian", which opens with: "RESEARCHERS have for the first time identified two biologically different strains of autism in a major breakthrough being compared with the discovery of different forms of cancer in the 1960s."
Subsequent comments then ridicule the reported claims. Scotty posts "What kills me, is that these articles are always written with such a chipper and helpful tone. No one reading this, who isn't otherwise informed, would ever know the difference."
#7 "Love, Asperger Syndrome, and the Big Apple"
-- (same story as linked via #1)
Supportive, humourous comments.
#8 "Speaking and Listening"
-- Announcing the likely posting date of the Autism Speaks interview, with an introductory post.
The er, "fun" starts with post 16 from cynara querying how a post was deleted, and the tone changes suddenly at post 23. cynara (at least) seems to be feeling threatened.
At post 31, Scotty offers an explanation of his unrequested post deleting abilities.
At post 36, user 'Bloke' objects to the whole introductory post and picks it apart.
At post 50, user 'Kakapo' claims Scotty is the anti-christ. Apparently seriously.
At post 53, cynara tells user 'Halfspie' to "STFU. The ability to remove your posts is not allowed for a reason. Use a little brain function to think about it instead of taking the piss and you would realise why."
Between these rather aggressive posts are some positive comments.
#9 "Report from the DSM-V Work Group"
-- Appears to be a straightforward discussion over 7 posts.
#10 "Autism Speaks"
-- The interview is posted.
First comment (from an administrator) says: "Excuse me whilst I overdose on Doubleplusungoodspeak."
There are some positive comments but eventually the whole thread collapses into (I'm paraphrasing) cries of "they're lying", general libel, and attacks on Scotty and his sister.
Throughout this, some users still attempt to indicate the positive aspects of engaging with Autism Speaks but they're drowned out.
(also an administrator posts (WRT post deletions) "Don't do that again; Only Mod and upwards are supposed to be able to remove posts." - as if this is Scotty's fault?)
Throughout, Scotty largely keeps to the positive approach but is forced into defence mode eventually.
The thread ends up locked on post 183 by an administrator.
Now, have I missed something here? Please point it out to me if I have.
I just see very likeable and incredibly enthusiastic young guy with a burgeoning talent for writing which is apparently well-liked - until what's seemingly the "unforgivable sin" of publishing what Autism Speaks has to say is committed, when all hell breaks loose.
Where was he "bad" - I mean really, genuinely bad enough to warrant the treatment he's received here and at AFF?
(I have to go and eat now - this has taken hours...
)Well, and to think that the people who make the accusations couldn't actually bothered to make all of this up. I can only imagine that there will be silence, contrivance or intransigence to come... Unless of course there is someone who will say 'I'm sorry'
23 Sep 2011, 2:14 pm
This is a listing of all AFF threads started by user 'tambourine-man':
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/search. ... 516b4a5419
#1 "A link to an article I wrote for Heartspring's Worldwide Autism Resource"
http://www.heartspring.org/care/blogpos ... -my-latest
Nice to Meet You, Can We Talk About My Latest Obsessions?
-- Nicely written and a typical "this is what it's like" description as may be found on WP.
The comments are positive too.
From the comments to that blog: http://www.nakedcitywichita.com/2011/08 ... l-my-life/
where have i been all my life
-- Much the same thing as above, and the part about the antique diving suit particularly resonated with me.
From the comments to that story: http://www.heartspring.org/care/blog
Inside Out: Through the Eyes of Autism
-- Excellent, and I've bookmarked it too.
Love, Asperger Syndrome and the Big Apple
-- I enjoyed reading it. Maybe a little hackneyed in parts ("her pale green eyes glowing in the dim lamplight"), but then again he's not a gnarled, gin-swigging author with years of experience.
#2 "Does anyone else find movies like Adam to be really annoying?"
-- Seems to be pretty typical thread chatter about a few Autism-related films.
#3 "He Touched Me: or The Misadventures of an Aspie in Church"
-- A good story which made me laugh.
Comments are positive.
#4 "All God's Children: Celebrating Diversity in Neurology"
-- A really nice observation.
First comment: "These articles really give this site a kind of vibrance that I've never seen it have. It's really great work and I mean that."
Second comment (from an administrator) "That's why I'm sticking them up on the front page."
Later, a perfectly reasonable suggestion from Scotty: "I think it would be cool if there was a News and Features column immediately visible on the homepage, with photos and links to the articles (the links would make it easier to find the articles without scrolling down, and the articles wouldn't have to be on the front page in their entirety, maybe just a teaser...)"
#5 "Six Beloved Fictional Characters with Undiagnosed Mental Disorders"
-- A two-post thread, speculating on the Aspie status of fictional characters.
Obviously a joke.
#6 "Two genes associated with autism have been located..."
-- Starts with a link to a page on "The Australian", which opens with: "RESEARCHERS have for the first time identified two biologically different strains of autism in a major breakthrough being compared with the discovery of different forms of cancer in the 1960s."
Subsequent comments then ridicule the reported claims. Scotty posts "What kills me, is that these articles are always written with such a chipper and helpful tone. No one reading this, who isn't otherwise informed, would ever know the difference."
#7 "Love, Asperger Syndrome, and the Big Apple"
-- (same story as linked via #1)
Supportive, humourous comments.
#8 "Speaking and Listening"
-- Announcing the likely posting date of the Autism Speaks interview, with an introductory post.
The er, "fun" starts with post 16 from cynara querying how a post was deleted, and the tone changes suddenly at post 23. cynara (at least) seems to be feeling threatened.
At post 31, Scotty offers an explanation of his unrequested post deleting abilities.
At post 36, user 'Bloke' objects to the whole introductory post and picks it apart.
At post 50, user 'Kakapo' claims Scotty is the anti-christ. Apparently seriously.
At post 53, cynara tells user 'Halfspie' to "STFU. The ability to remove your posts is not allowed for a reason. Use a little brain function to think about it instead of taking the piss and you would realise why."
Between these rather aggressive posts are some positive comments.
#9 "Report from the DSM-V Work Group"
-- Appears to be a straightforward discussion over 7 posts.
#10 "Autism Speaks"
-- The interview is posted.
First comment (from an administrator) says: "Excuse me whilst I overdose on Doubleplusungoodspeak."
There are some positive comments but eventually the whole thread collapses into (I'm paraphrasing) cries of "they're lying", general libel, and attacks on Scotty and his sister.
Throughout this, some users still attempt to indicate the positive aspects of engaging with Autism Speaks but they're drowned out.
(also an administrator posts (WRT post deletions) "Don't do that again; Only Mod and upwards are supposed to be able to remove posts." - as if this is Scotty's fault?)
Throughout, Scotty largely keeps to the positive approach but is forced into defence mode eventually.
The thread ends up locked on post 183 by an administrator.
Now, have I missed something here? Please point it out to me if I have.
I just see very likeable and incredibly enthusiastic young guy with a burgeoning talent for writing which is apparently well-liked - until what's seemingly the "unforgivable sin" of publishing what Autism Speaks has to say is committed, when all hell breaks loose.
Where was he "bad" - I mean really, genuinely bad enough to warrant the treatment he's received here and at AFF?
(I have to go and eat now - this has taken hours...
)Thanks Cornflake, I read the same information and came to the same conclusion. This internet site Wrong Planet, is an accepting one of different views, unlike some other websites.
When one of us is bullied others typically come to our defense, sometimes even if we don't personally like each other, and many times when we clash with views. I see that as what sets this site apart from others.
Tambourine man is a welcome member here, and those of us that see him as a valued member won't tolerate him being bullied, his personal character attacked, or his families character attacked like it was on AFF.
Hopefully he has not at this point felt bullied and censored off this site, as he was on the other site, for attempting to provide objective information about an organization that much controversy surrounds.
While his interview is no longer available on the front page of AFF, it is still available among the pages of this thread and the other current thread of discussion on this topic, in case anyone wants to read it and provide complaints or constructive criticism about the answers to the questions in the interview that Autism Speaks provided. The organization is paying attention to these threads, so it is an opportunity for individuals to let their concerns be known on relevant issues related to the organization.
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