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Your bit about a bunch of teenagers and twenty year olds , well I got a bunch of teenagers bringing me stuff and taking me down the pub and asking me to go with them to social events ( I'm not going but it's nice to be asked). Trick is to include them at whatever level they are "includable" and help them develop their roles or have the wisdom to know when to leave them alone to do their own thing.

Like I said I don't blame some AS guys for getting mad -twenty years of taking crap when you're not doing really doing anything wrong except following your neurological programming is hard and I salute them for not going ape and doing something really crazy especially given the skills they've got. Takes a lot of restraint.

Maybe the threat of this possibilty is one reason why you and other groups got some funding ?


You aint going to get anywhere winding them up because they are too angry-mad to listen right now.

They will either learn the hard way or grow out of it. Creating problems does not create solutions it creates problems. Though it does vary. I do not like seeing people comprised of such strong false beliefs it has them thinking all sorts of things which are not true. It is neither the proper approach to create solutions or a healthy one for the mind when anger is consuming them in so far there is an actual hatred for the world around them.

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Man, "function" with or not, is the key phrase here. Like it or not you are linked, abit like quantum entangled . Currently it seems a negative entanglement and that's wearing on your energies and probably not helpful to them.

Like I said you're fortuntate and skilled enough to find a niche . Imagine not having a niche and posessing all that big mind and skill and potential and having no way into the system to partake, so what you going to do?

I don't blame them one bit . Arguing, logic, reason isn't going to change their position , it probably reinforces it, which in turn reinforces your position and together you lock claws do the crab dance, and some NT way up the heirarchy is laughing his face off at you both.

I am one of the ones left out but I politically fought to create solutions. It was not by calling others Nazis, creating confrontations or with hatred but diplomacy and public appeal. I fought and still fight to create with balance reasonable means for others who are excluded with little hope to be included. Bad strategy can hinder the whole process.

There is no entanglement.

Well I know this much, yelling at kid to grow up doesn't advance his or her development one bit, in fact it glitches it until you figure out the next constructive move, and it just demonstrates as a parent you've flipped and stopped helping the situation.

STOP BEING ASPERGERS!

See ?

People put to much importance into labels.

Got nothing to do with accademic debate at this point. Simple model is you're all zapping each other like in the Simpson episode and unhook yourself you're all going to stay frazzle headed . Hey maybe that's why we look frazzleheaded sometimes.

Now here's the thing Ci , those guys have a huge potential and more than a little natural curiosity and right now they can't help themselves when someone sets them a "challenge." You mentioned them doing stuff like hacking out websites . Well I got to tell and maybe you can tell someone else with a whole bunch of potential funding money in his or her fist, there's a much bigger 'thing out there that can be" hacked ", and if just one of these bright guys starts figuring this one , then let's say we aren't "going to be in Kansas any more."

Now I have no intention of sharing becuase it's very dangerous,and I am very responsible and don't want to cause a s**t storm, but I'm pretty convinced on this.

Like I said 90%-10% ,that's how they work.

Talking of which I got to go.

Meme.

Most of what you said I didn't quite get as you were suggesting something. Cyber crime and cyber terrorism is punishable with jail time. Enough time to think about how wrong someone is. When folks resort to crime they loose my and others respect. A good play on words at this point can be used as in saying you meant computer programming employment and a big project. This conversation has run it's course.

Using reason, humor, art, music, literature and academic research as a coherent tool to change negative attitudes and challenge is not a crime , as far as I know, yet. It is also far morec constructive and positive than anything else I can think of. Cerainly beats winding people up.

Using language to entice fear as what originally went wrong in this post is little different then what you suggest I am doing to wind people up. To sympathize with potential criminal activity morally enables them. Yet more constructive, positive and honest means to be included and make a living are quite more sustainable.

Ci - maybe don't extend your buisness to probation work just yet , this might require a bit more flexible attitude and creative means of getting guys interested. But what you are doing with your group sounds interesting. I can't agree it applies equally to eveyone. If I wanted to make candles I'd set my own business up and I guess alot of AS guys would do the same.

A lot of young guys excluded from the system, by the system rules and their own responses to them, don't get how radical, subversive and powerful these legitimate means of self and group expression/assertion can be.

"Hacking" culture and existing systems is a real challenge and no one can do a damn thing about it because it's how legitimate social change happens,and for the sake of all species on this shared planet it's a worthy thing to do if applied constructively.

Yes the intent though is to donate the candles and other product license rights to the non-profit formulating and to serve the wage needs of those who are not able or just would not like to start their own business. I like R&D and seeing everything go together. I do have allot of help. I do believe those that are left out could be employed to help those with more severe disabilities. I am between the two disability classifications and qualify for the social services supports.

As far as the "hacking" terminology and this conversation as the term has been used both ways and how this post was derailed with cyber crime threats it's best not to use the verbiage. I cannot separate the two. I will not participate in that conversation and I suspect you realize why and enjoy the confusion for social reasons. .

Er dude, its like redifining legal things in illegal terms to get people who might not otherwise be, interested in them. The biggest hack on earth is taking a subject like art and creating a new art movement, or a new set of techniques. What you don't do is try to stand and argue with them because until they are ready for listening , they probably won't and all you end up with is a negative feedback entanglement loop, which as I've said dissipates both your energies and leaves some NT to sneak higher up the tree to grab all the fruit whilst you are both arguing in the branches. It's an evolutionary strategy, I guess.

An art form can be a depiction of a war scene of one side against the other. The propaganda art and artist depicts favor to the side he or she is on or simply the side he or she sympathizes with. However this is not war in the traditional sense but in context to this conversation beyond that of sportsmanship into the realm of illegal behavior outside of national legal declarations of war. For this reason as you have gone well out of your way to tempt illegal behavior as a positive I believe your simply playing a social game. As smart person you are I think your using fear and suggestions to persuade, entice and threaten. I don't believe it to be morally or ethically responsible especially if you are of the age you claim and I don't side with it even if you express positives in my direction. As if I should feel enough emotional similarity to be pinned on your side and to justify what your saying.

I'm not at all happy with what you doing here in this post, find it interesting to figure out and do not approve of the vagueness.

I think the posters that gave the young man advice not to discuss or promote illegal activity on the internet, did the responsible thing; and it seems to a degree he respectfully acknowledged at least part of what he was doing was a mistake, which is encouraging.

Memesplice is using the word "hacking" as a metaphor now, in how people use legal tools to change the system, like art, music, and other socially appropriate mediums to allow people to think in different ways and perhaps make a positive influence in the world.

That's the good place for people to use their creative energies; I think you have used mediums like you tube videos, humor, and the like to achieve change in people's way of thinking about autism politics. This is the kind of thing I think he is referring to.

The positive thing the young man was involved with, was using his intelligence and creativity to study rain, TV, and an association with Autism; hopefully he will go in these more positive routes for use with his creativity. At 15, he and his friends have a lot ahead of them if they move in positive directions.

thank you ahogday -I did explain metaphor but I don't think it sunk in first time.

I have kept two kids on the right tracks for twenty two years. I know a bit about how to and not to do this. I am trying to show you the dynamic you are caught up in and offer a means by which both sides, you and your detractors , can extricate themselves. I also suggested that if you worked together, you could legally achieve very much.

I am sorry if you feel threatened, but it is not my intention to convey a threat or anything else negative to you in any way.- There would be no gain for me in that , hence no rationale for it.

Meme