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Good luck finding the NT women who want to join you. Anyways, I see this as being disastrous because of the Founder Effect. An initial population size of 100 means you only have about 5 generations before everyone is inbred, and probably less than that actually.


Um... you realize how insane this claim sounds? "NT's are individualistic rather than communal because they are all conformists."


Intentional communities do not, as a general rule, work. People are complicated, and attempts to design new social systems will always fail to take important things into account.

Which is the story of human evolution, Orwell. Do you think it a disaster that you are here now?

There is a peculiar phenomenon within the Autistic Community:
On the one hand, discussions about aspie intentional communities pop-up quite frequently, and they get many sympathetic posts.
On the other hand, whenever Autreat & Autscape are mentioned they get very little attention.
Since Autreat & Autscape are like temporary aspie intentional communities, I can't understand why people show much interest in aspie intentional communities, but no interest in Autreat & Autscape.

I think an aspie intentional community wouldn't work, but I'm a great admirer of Autreat, Autscape and regional aspie gatherings. I think whoever lives within commuting distance from a large city can attend monthly/weekly aspie gatherings which are quite nice.

@ Orwell

NT women: Actually it seams women are simply under reported. The 4:1 ratio is very wrong. We can always settle with polyandry and ... 4 children per woman or something. Anyway, i think is beater to compromise, with a mixt NT/aspie community, that is aspies friendly, the aspies members can veto on there own, and can eject NTs on there own, NTs members have symmetric powers.

founder effect: All(most?) children are ejected to other communities to avoid genetic choking. We are genetically programmed to avoid people we grow up with, the brain assumes they are close family. For children, there group of origin is very sexually inatractive, like brothers and sisters.

And conformism, is a genetic community living instinct. If you noticed there individuality isn't that individualistic. Yes i know, nature kind of bitten it self in the butt. The logic is, do what the others are doing, they are doing it for a reason. In a herd of zebras, some spot a lion and start running, without the conformity instinct, the other zebras would need to actually see the lion before they start running. This works threw out the animal kingdom, even for animals vaguely social like herds, examples: cockroaches, fish, birds mammals, etc, ..... and humans. I'm not over extrapolating, thats standard interpretation. Autistics have this in various degrees weekend (thats you). And i'm not bashing anyone, it just makes sense to built this instinct in to animals.


Because in general people acted naively, they did something similar to wikipedia, that i consider a community failure. Conflict there is so high, over trivialities, that as a physical community with decisions over important amounts of money, would have disintegrated. There are a series of well though rules you have to follow to build a successful community, its like a house, if the foundations suck, its not going to hold.

So first you want to bring NT women and use them as breeding cows and now you would rather force autistic women to have at least 4 children and multiple partners? Who could say no to that?


For someone who thinks NT society is restrictive, you offer such an inviting alternative. I'd rather stick to the devil I know as yours looks a lot uglier. Your ideal community sounds just like a cult.

@ KenG

You little spammer
I may go to the England thing.

It shouldn't be moved inside the eurozone(euro) and shengen zone(open borders) now? Brussels isn't far, theres a direct train link London-Brussels.

i'll buy your fake VIAGRA too

You have a link to regional aspie gatherings?

Oh no, i don't think so. An IC is like a marriage, or a tiny state, they aren't simple gatherings. Communities the wikipedia way will fail miserably in the real world. At a minimum you control membership, you are not automatically accepted if you are an aspie. And you need a little constitution. And agreed in advance the objectives of the community. You need to inject a great deal of formalism. Avoid excessive lawyering. Its social engineering, you know what you are doing, or it will blow up in your face.

Oh, yes. I do think the UK should be moved inside the euro-zone and schengen area...
There has been talk about doing an Autreat/Autscape like event in the Netherlands, but I guess it will be in Dutch...
There is also an annual aspie summer camp in Germany. It is organized by Aspies e.V: http://aspies.de/
London, UK: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt109104.html
Portland, OR: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2642500.html#2642500
Melbourne, Australia: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt120960.html
Israel: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt117555.html

There is a WP thread about regional meet-ups over here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt41284.html
There are some discussions about regional aspie meet-ups in WP's 'Social Skills and Making Friends' forum.
There are some regional aspie meet-ups on meetup.com

And NT women weren't supposed to act as breeding pigs. Its more for social balance, for the needs of ALL participants. If participants aren't happy, they will vent there frustration on the community. A community is like a marriage, they are many forms of marriage. Monogamy, polygyny, polyandry...... Here i proposed to settle the proportions differently. All have rights, women will not be forcefully inseminated, sexual and reproductive stuff aren't part of the constitution, meaning its private business. If a women has 3 husbands, its not over the top to assume that she would accept having 4 kids, women currently restrict the number of children they would like to have, that alone can be attractive for women to joining the community. About multiple partners, if you assume that polygyny is humiliating to women (i think most people think that), is it compatible to assume that polyandry is humiliating to women too?

You'll misinterpret this too: Simply stating that polyandry is considered permissible inside the community, will brake the taboo, and people will engage in it with higher probability, according to what they really want, and not being simply afraid of what other will think about it. For example, we could state explicitly, that monogamy, polyandry, homosexuality are permissible, but polygyny is forbidden, in principle, with no penalties. Yes, trust me it will make a difference.

I assure you there's nothing sinister here. ..... You want to propose an amendment in the constitution that takes care of your fears? We are civilized people, we can talk things over.

Its true, cults use social technics like this kind. But the huge difference is, that i (the "cult" guru), put all my tricks on the table, directly negotiate with prospective members what they want to achieve. Try to execute my self. Explain exactly why this weird thing is there, what it tries to achieve. And take decisions unanimously(constitutional amendments). And you can leave. No weird religions. Weellll, maybe a parody religion could help, but i think i'm asking for trouble with that one( FSM cult?). You can see it, as a form of group psychotherapy. I don't see how i can explain beater that theres nothing sinister here, in my opinion, participants keep real control. All, this aren't redundant nonsense, our brains work the way they work, a community will simply not work with out them. Our emotions work with the intelligence of insects, the tricks try to trick our emotions, while your logic can keep complaining that this and that is completely stupid. Its like an illusionist spectacle, you let your self get tricked, you don't complain that the tricks are fake.

Any way, a mixt federal community would probably be beater. People are put off by assuming sinister things.

You people, you are encouraging me to be provocative.

@ KenG

Good to know.

"Neurotypical" and "aspie" are not really two distinct groups; it's a continuum.

The reason there are fewer aspie women is because the average woman in the overall population has a bit fewer aspie traits than the average man. Since the diagnostic cutoff is the same for men and for women, it is further from the female average, and thus captures a smaller number of women.

If one really wanted to form an aspie community, the obvious solution would not be to take random neurotypical women, but rather, to take women who are just short of the diagnostic cutoff. These women would still be more aspie than neurotypical.

But I truly am wondering why the theoretical subject of intentional communities attracts far more attention than the realistic subject of Autreat, Autscape and regional gatherings...

Why does it have to be an intentional community? Why can't it simply be 'the aspie community of London' (or Paris, Amsterdam, Zurich, Milan, etc.)

Why do most WP members omit their geographical locations from their profiles?
In this current situation, it is possible that two WP members who live in the same town are enthusiastically agreeing with each other about the merits of an intentional community, without realizing they are actually neighbors already...

One possibility is that they're interested in a full time community that they can live in, rather than conventions that are, after all, large social gatherings. It's not like social gatherings are aspies' favorite things.

The other possibility is that the people suggesting the communities actually want a community specifically along the lines they personally are thinking of, rather than something that's attractive to a broader range of aspies/auties.

If it's something that they personally are thinking of rather than something attractive to a broad range of aspies/auties, how will it ever be possible to gather enough people to make an intentional community in the first place? If it's so incredibly specific to that one person's plans, I don't see how anything larger than a house with 6 unrelated people living in it would be possible.

In any case, if one wants to really do this and not just talk about it, it seems like the best place to actually meet the people you would be potentially living with would be at one of these retreats. If a large social gathering is too off-putting, why would a planned community be any more amenable? Communities are larger than social gatherings. If you can't stand to be in the company of a large group of similar people for a few days, how would you be able to do it for years on end?

There is an intentional community in Israel (a kabutz to be specific), but ít's intended for "mentally handicapped" people.

They accept Aspies, because they have a computer programming business that earns the large majority of their revenue. The lower-functioning people attend to the farms. They were considering building a complimentary community for their families, but I don't know if that panned out. Only the hover-parents would do that, I think.

Then again, if you're an Aspie that is in a community for the "mentally handicapped", then you might not be there fully out of choice.

It probably won't be possible. Heck, I had to make a few compromises to get a 2 person aspie household to work.

Don't all young people have unachievable dreams? Or is that just an aspie thing? One gets older and figures out how to adjust one's dreams to reality - or lives with their continuing to be dreams.


It's a matter of percentages. One might not be able to handle being social for 8 hours a day for 3 days at a convention, but still be able to handle 2 hours a week indefinitely.

Autreat and Autscape are not aspie gatherings. Both of them include, everywhere including planning and leadership, people from all parts (real or imaginary) of the "spectrum". For a long time, Autreat's sole leader was a person who was diagnosed with autism and didn't speak till xe was twelve. I know a lot of people use the word aspie without thinking but it can give a false impression of the level of variety there. In fact this year I am co-presenting with another autie who like me has occasionally been labeled low functioning. (Our topic being our rejection of that and other functioning labels.)