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Do you think people on the spectrum should have their own country?
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03 Aug 2011, 9:21 pm

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--All law-abiding citizens would be required to carry firearms and be trained in their safety and use. It would reduce crime sharply (Only a complete idiot would try to rob, rape, or murder someone who's armed) and ensure that the whole nation is ready to take action at a moment's notice, whether it's against an external or internal threat.


Though I would ban the use of Glocks as firearms as they cause too many accidents, though they could legally be used as a blunt instrument or as decoration.


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03 Aug 2011, 9:39 pm

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Interesting idea, however I have three main problems with it.
1. An Aspergers or Autistic controlled state would soon collapse as most people on the Autistic spectrum are not suited to any major role in a primary or productive economy (farming, mining or manufacturing). This is not to say we are incompetent, it just tosay that sensory issues and other inconvenient behavioural patterns ensure that we are best of maintaining our attachment to the positive aspects of NT society.

2. All the comparisions to Israel, Autism is closer to a "race" than Judaism as there are links to genetics causing Autism. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and all other religions are more concious decisions to follow said religions
(I am a practising Roman Catholic), I do not remember deciding "oh yes I will be Autistic from now on."

3. There seems to be a lot of people claiming that North America is a prime location for any Autistic state, however the U.S.A. seems to house the vast majority of our persecuters (Autism speaks etc.) closely followed by the U.K. (not entirely sure as I only follow english news services (language not nation), surely Australia would be a better location, we would have large ammounts of natural resources, the local population is largely tolerant so problems with them would be unlikely and plenty of space for those who would prefer isolation.


1. The country might adapt those major roles to the needs of the population, as you could automate most of the operations of a mine and others might be attractive to them, as they might be part of their special interest.

3. A large wall and other measures, including machine guns, can keep the persecutors out of the country. The advantage of North America for a country would be the varying climate from North to South, which would allow residents to have a choice of climate. One advantage of Australia would be the ease of finishing off Christchurch, New Zealand, as it is so close to Australia, though they could attack just as easily. What would we do with the people who aren't tolerant if it was in Australia? What are other advantages of Australia as a location for an Autistic state?


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04 Aug 2011, 7:53 am

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Jews are not a race. People can and have converted to and from Judaism.

It's like calling Hispanics a race when they only share a language and culture. Anyone of any "race" can be Hispanic.

No, Jews are a race. One's ethnicity can be Jewish. Of course anyone can convert to Judaism, but there is a specific Jewish ethnicity that shares a name with Judaism, hence why it is referred to as an ethno-religious group.

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08 Aug 2011, 9:52 pm

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Type of government: Technocracy with a strong libertarian bent. Among the policies we'd have, there'd be:
--No income or payroll taxes. Sales taxes from the free market will fund the legitimate costs of government.
--All welfare programs would be privatized. Instead of keeping people dependent on the state's golden teat, we'd bring about an Aspie population that doesn't need welfare. (Combined with the national sales tax, as there'd be a monthly rebate on all poverty-level spending.)
--Drugs would be legal, taxed, and the quality and dosages regulated so nobody dies from contamination or overdose.
--Marriage would be abolished. No two people, gay or straight, should have to have a piece of paper saying that they're together.
--All law-abiding citizens would be required to carry firearms and be trained in their safety and use. It would reduce crime sharply (Only a complete idiot would try to rob, rape, or murder someone who's armed) and ensure that the whole nation is ready to take action at a moment's notice, whether it's against an external or internal threat.
--Prostitution would be legal, just like in Holland.
--Censorship of all media would be illegal except for CP. Just like in the U.S., even speech the majority deems wrong would be permitted, because if you silence people who say those things, you're no better than they are.
--Murderers, sex criminals, and war criminals would get the death penalty by guillotine (The guillotine is far more humane than modern forms of execution in terms of speed and accuracy of death), then all records of their existence erased. Thieves and con men would spend time in jail, pay a fine equal to the value of the stolen property, or both. The punishment fits the crime, after all.
--Green energy sources would be used, cutting down our dependence on coal and oil.


All your ideas for types of government and some examples of laws are good ideas. The use of the guillotine for executions is a good idea, as it's a lot easier to find a way to build one than it is to get the drugs they use most of the time. Also the guillotine has only one consumable, and that is the blade. The blade can last a long time as it can be sharpened.

I always say that the more trained people with guns, the better.

Legalization of drugs would be a good thing, as the gangs would be out of business.

Legal prostitution would be a good thing, as Aspies have a hard time finding lovers.

I do have one question. Does the censorship of CP only include pictures of actually children? I asked that question because some anti-CP laws, like the one in Sweden and maybe the EU, have the potential to ban a lot of Anime/Manga.


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09 Aug 2011, 8:59 am

Great, institutionalized murder and the free flow of addictive substances with consequences that aren't grounded in reality no less. What a load of bull.



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09 Aug 2011, 10:49 am

greengeek wrote:
I could imagine the various government rooms would have computer terminals in them for communication even in the same room, so that they don't have to communicate verbally to each other. I would not be surprised that the country would probably be very permissive, as some of the special interests of Aspies are either illegal or borderline illegal in most countries and regional unions. Also another reason why the country would probably be very permissive, as Aspies have hard time getting a lover but want to do things that lovers do, but the solution to that is illegal in most areas of the world.


I certainly would not want to be limited to communicating by computer.....I do like to have verbal conversations, sure I don't have the best social skills but not talking and just typing to communicate would drive me insane.



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09 Aug 2011, 6:23 pm

greengeek wrote:
Do you think we should have our own country, and where would you want it? I think we should have our own country. It would be kind of like an Israel, but without any Palestinians trying to take over.

I think a good place for a country would be the area currently occupied by the United States States of New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine, along with the Canadian provinces of Ontario, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, and maybe Quebec, though that might be spun off into its own country. The capital would be Ottawa as that is a pre made national capital, is its Canada's national capital. The country would throw out undesirables, except NT government workers who are against us and other serious threats against us, we would send them to Siberia under contract with the Russians. We could have NTs in our country that are not against us, as there are people like that in the area.

It would be interesting to have our own country, because our country would be so different for any other country. The roads would probably be interesting, as the choices Aspies have in vehicles is wide ranging, which would mean there would be a wide range of vehicles on the roads, and the government rules would allow the import of any vehicle from any where in the world. It the country was like that, the auto plants would probably be full of hand made cars, as mass production would not allow the economical production of limited numbers of the same vehicle, and also replacement headlamp assemblies for cars from countries that drive on the left, as the factory lights would be backwards. It would be interesting if the replicas of '60s, '70s and '80s cars made in that country would be better quality than the originals, as one of the traits of AS is attention to detail.


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09 Aug 2011, 8:42 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
greengeek wrote:
I could imagine the various government rooms would have computer terminals in them for communication even in the same room, so that they don't have to communicate verbally to each other. I would not be surprised that the country would probably be very permissive, as some of the special interests of Aspies are either illegal or borderline illegal in most countries and regional unions. Also another reason why the country would probably be very permissive, as Aspies have hard time getting a lover but want to do things that lovers do, but the solution to that is illegal in most areas of the world.


I certainly would not want to be limited to communicating by computer.....I do like to have verbal conversations, sure I don't have the best social skills but not talking and just typing to communicate would drive me insane.


You can do that too in the country, though in certain areas it would be good to use computer terminals only, as it would make bugging the room pointless.


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10 Aug 2011, 5:47 am

But only if we can have western Washington state, since it's usually cloudy. I think an Aspie country would likely be the most economically sound country, and it would promote invention and progress. But what do I know?



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10 Aug 2011, 6:10 am

Sometime in the future an aspie will create nanobots that only target and rewire nt brains to assimilate them into the spectrum.
I called it first, now get to work you aspie computer genius if we don't strike first somebody else will.

I think the idea of country's is outdated, the only way to go in the future is some kind of global governing of the world.
Cooperation is the way to go, without cooperation we would be living in a cave. Seeing the massive differences between country's is disgusting. The idea of a country needs to go, people need to start seeing the entire planet as their habbitat instead of just the country they live in and turning a blind eye to the rest.



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10 Aug 2011, 2:14 pm

I note that the OP has marked out the US and Canada as territory... it's a bit excessive, really.

I favour a decentralised confederation of villages, linked by a "spine" of a railway and fibre optic information cable. That way, people can live in the place that suits them.



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10 Aug 2011, 2:54 pm

Blasterx343 wrote:
Interesting idea, however I have three main problems with it.
1. An Aspergers or Autistic controlled state would soon collapse as most people on the Autistic spectrum are not suited to any major role in a primary or productive economy (farming, mining or manufacturing). This is not to say we are incompetent, it just tosay that sensory issues and other inconvenient behavioural patterns ensure that we are best of maintaining our attachment to the positive aspects of NT society.

2. All the comparisions to Israel, Autism is closer to a "race" than Judaism as there are links to genetics causing Autism. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and all other religions are more concious decisions to follow said religions
(I am a practising Roman Catholic), I do not remember deciding "oh yes I will be Autistic from now on."

3. There seems to be a lot of people claiming that North America is a prime location for any Autistic state, however the U.S.A. seems to house the vast majority of our persecuters (Autism speaks etc.) closely followed by the U.K. (not entirely sure as I only follow english news services (language not nation), surely Australia would be a better location, we would have large ammounts of natural resources, the local population is largely tolerant so problems with them would be unlikely and plenty of space for those who would prefer isolation.


I'm going to have to disagree. I think that Aspies would be excellent in manufacturing, we can always import food, and china has all the good resources anyways. The reasons aspies would excel in manufacturing, is because we have an excellent ability: We can concentrate completely on one thing and be much more productive than most neurotypicals. I know this because it it widely reported, and it is what has enabled me to excel in my hobbies of making things: especially when working on CNC lathes and Mills.


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11 Aug 2011, 11:08 am

Most neurotypicals say that when it comes to manufacturing autistic people are too slow.



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11 Aug 2011, 8:28 pm

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Most neurotypicals say that when it comes to manufacturing autistic people are too slow.


In comparison to whom? There is probably some union labor that is slower than autistic people in manufacturing.


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12 Aug 2011, 2:57 am

greengeek wrote:
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Most neurotypicals say that when it comes to manufacturing autistic people are too slow.


In comparison to whom? There is probably some union labor that is slower than autistic people in manufacturing.


I got a simple response: androbot is lying.



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13 Aug 2011, 8:43 pm

Gedrene wrote:
greengeek wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Most neurotypicals say that when it comes to manufacturing autistic people are too slow.


In comparison to whom? There is probably some union labor that is slower than autistic people in manufacturing.


I got a simple response: androbot is lying.


He probably is, and quality is better than quantity.


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