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I'm thinking an investment into aspirin stocks should it become more popular would be a wise bet.

That's cool No I like the idea of a motorbike myself but I'm probably better off on a push bike Lol.

Kids eh I'd have thought kids would be all excited about getting a backie on a motorbike

In the old days we termed approaches individual and social .

The individual approach looks at all the factors within the individual, a single person that ( basically) form who he or she is . In your time you have massive advances in neurology , genetics and cognitive science we didn't have. So I guess this curuently loads the underastnding towards the invidvidual of the individuals core bilogy and physiolgy to explain why they are the way they are. In our case those taking the individual approach would argue our genetics predisopse us to being AS. This is responded to by seeking a range of therapeutic interventions- begining with pharaceuticals to redress chemical inballences, to cognitive therapies, to soclial skills classes, also a bridge between this and wider theory is the family dynamics. Now no one who'se studied this stuff would suggest these interventions can't help or be effective and a positive influence on someones life .

However this is part of a larger model and to my mind this model has to key areas the little social situation, ie family and local culture and the big social the wider society understood in terms of economics, human heirarchies, class etc.

The brige between these thoeries used to be called interactionism , ie individuals are not passive recpiants of social pressures, they react to them , ( interact with them ) and to an extent all these interactions add up to create a society.- There is also a stong parallel with/in Socio-biology

Now imagine this as a feedback system -individual actions add up creating discenable pattern and structures- these 'social structures' in turn feed back into the individual and thtat individual internalises the social forces they generate, so to an extent the individual shapes the immediate social environment like family and school , to an far lesser extent their imput shapes the bigger ( macro structures) . When you get whole groups of similar individuals interacting, resonating, I think its a bit like harmonic theory or emergence theory in physics.

When you are at this end of the big picture you are looking at discernable positive and negative social forces and pressures which act on th eindividual.

You mind will spring to and tell you- how an individual reacts depends on their individual potential, however you would have to conceed that these forces, particularly economic forces do exert an influence balanced against the individuals' capacity to deal with them. Poverty, unemployment, low income , etc for example may be a lot to do with the individuals potential, however when a whole section of the economy/industry goes down, as I've witnessed it do , people who showed little sign of mental or phsyical health problems do develop them- so social and econmic pressures can and do have a profound effect.

So the interesting question is , how much of what we perceive as preventing us from being full able is down to us as individuals, and how much is down to the social pressures acting on us. - For example changing the connotations assciated with
the autistic label or even getting rid of it all together could an individuals goal with reagrd to those immediately around them, but it could also be a collective one to change social attitudes.


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Kids eh I'd have thought kids would be all excited about getting a backie on a motorbike [/quote]

I don't know this, generation are so 'straight' - interested in vaccum cleaners at their age , I ask you .

See now I understand fully but my concern is with individuals that cannot otherwise snap out of so called social and collective pressures and just become "enabled". Online what seems to be evident is people are enabled but drawn to the pressures as the reasons of their objections with establishment in context to autism. The real reality I contend with is disability and redressing social pressures typically and atypically found so as to benefit individuals who otherwise cannot simply function by redefining themselves, their attitudes and conform to ordinary behavior least as a whole to adapt as a solution but at times in part. My approach is not for everyone with autism but individuals who by premise of the law are deemed substantially if not profoundly disabled and cannot be employed as of now in typical employment.

Constructive means may at times require confrontation with individuals who cannot otherwise relate to the need for this kind of constructive change in relationship with society to formulate those bridges. The whole idea that charity is bad, negatives about autism are bad and and cure vs. anti-cure and so on are of lessor value least with regard to it's function. charity is needed for adaptation and is a means but not always as effective. I believe organization like ASAN are more about self-image in reckless disregard to need then it is about solving the problems of obvious need. The two can conflict because if autism must be this great thing then it needs nothing and if it does not much need then why help over those of more need. This can obviously be found with denying autism can be compared to aids, cancer and diabetes simply as a form of disability when all have needs though are different.

Are these the same Rush that did 2112 ( or something date ) Are they still even alive ?

The problem here comes that it wasn't the working classes who were baying for old women to be burned. It was the theocracy , one section of the 'middle' class. Burning witches had complex reasons one of which was driven by a small group of people to keep their position in power, because to fall from that power was to fall into the abysss ( a term revisted later by the Victiorians to describe the underclass created by industrialisation) and the theocracy were able to delude themselves and others they were doing divine work murdering people. America was founded to an extent by groups fleeing religious and social persecution in Europe.


So my question would be how deluded are we today ? Has this agression against minorities group of outsiders been abstracted, stylised . One critic of the current system points out pharmacology has its origins in the Greek word for scapegoat.

Two hundred years from now will people look back an see intellectual labelling of groups in the same way we now see burning withces , given the relative advance in society? How will we know if these ideas are not challenged now.

And that was my point to radical aspies - you going to look after these guy's if you remove the support networks and structures already in place? I would need to see care plans, long term fincance-funding proposals, conditions, types/models of care as well as a broad conceptual framework for all this to happen in. etc. That is a fair request given the enormity and potential impact on real lives .

I'm getting a real education on here and yep kids nowadays are too straight wanting hoovers (vacum cleaners) and phones and computers as presents when I was a boy I had a sling and used to go about firing things at people and making bows and arrows and stuff like that I was a real citizen I was.

The poor dog next door nearly got it's eye out but that was my brother did that he was a very bad shot Lol.

A theocracy right that's rule by religion right I can see how that would work they accuse people of being witches to keep them in line and keep them as god fearing christians. They had no control over pagans because pagans were just outwith their control.

The funny thing is if they did flee to America that's a great big irony because America is a very religious country isn't it ? I mean they take religion very seriously look what happened when John Lennon opened his trap and said he was bigger than you know who all hell broke loose.

So much has been done in the name of religion that was suposedly good but it all just seems to come down to power broking that's the real motivation behind most of it and they will kill and murder anybody who get's in their way.

I'm not talking about America there I'm talking mankind in general we all do it all countries and groups it's always petty in fighting and jostling for power.

Maybe Ci feels that hence what he was mentioning about how he feels about ASAN and all that goes on there. I don't really have the answers but I reckon the only way is to try and be selfless. Now we are touching on Bhudism though Lol. Does it ever stop my thoughts go everywhere !

hey ci y'all really like this one [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ZY4iF6fcE[/youtube]

No. This is better.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4S3gUWLkY[/youtube]

are they coming to dc?

" And the meek shall inherit The Earth "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Lxx2VAYi8

The atomic rocket tour was cancelled because the lyricist for the Rush band just received a restraining order from the band. However the above link to the video is all about the insane pyrotechnics that the heavy metal Rush fans will miss out on.

Pity compassion = compassion pity?

What does that even mean?

Also I already said that pity doesn't equal compassion.

I'm not speaking of you specifically. The idea is to entice there is a difference between the two. The two should not be vaguely implied they are one in the same nor should pity be accused when others are helping without it being exactly the case and even when it is so should be handled with care. Alienating those who help over other matters such as abortion politics is a great injustice and can be seen as potentially evading human rights.