The Hope of Today & The Audacity of Yesterday

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15 Aug 2011, 9:18 pm

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I just don't get that kind of review by professionals and in fact get complements. It's those that are really into abstract learning that seem to enjoy it the most. The book then you shouldn't read nor should your style and methods of articulation dictate whether or not someone can be an author. I wouldn't dare to ever say the alike to another individual so as to amount them to incapable and unworthy but that is the trait of a superiorist in part. Your not better then me nor are others and I don't claim I am better and others unworthy compared to me.

Oh, please.

It really isn't relevant, but I spent far too much of my life in college. I've got a B.A. in English Literature, two minors in math, and a B.S., M.S., and a Ph.D. in Computer Science, I've read tens of thousands of books, ranging from light reading through books of philosophy far denser than your posts. The difference is that they made me want to figure out what they meant. One of my interests is ancient Greek history and cultures. Another is the history of math and science.

None of this makes me special, or even noteworthy in the autism community. I raise these things merely to point out that it isn't that I'm incapable of reading what you write, just that you haven't made it worth the trouble.

I tried (I really did) to offer some constructive suggestions as to how you could make your posts more accessible. It isn't easy to take criticism - I have a big problem with that myself - and I'm fully prepared to wait some time and hope that things improve, but I won't let some statements stand unchallenged.

You have gone out of your way to point out defect without specific suggestions. It's like you raise your hands in the air and give up because it's my fault. You are intelligent in many ways but there is a market for individuals with disabilities who are writers. They want to read about how we think and read it in authentic expressions and in fact a publisher told me they didn't want to change my writing style because of that. People want to read our thoughts from us. Those who are the PHD's are better off in the position of being mentors towards us because many of us won't achieve the same such things as you. It's a different market then textbooks and your standards. Instead some of those textbooks are about individuals like me who won't ever be like you and frankly I don't really care to but I am sure you are much obliged to be whom you are as well.

Simply put I seriously do not take your judgement seriously because it lacks true constructive intents and honest as well as genuine enablement for my benefit.

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15 Aug 2011, 9:35 pm

ci wrote:

You have gone out of your way to point out defect without specific suggestions.

Not true.

I have suggested that you:

write more simply
write shorter posts
use simpler and shorter sentences
focus more
be less combative
address the points you are responding to
listen better
pay more attention to what someone has actually written to you you have going on in your head

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15 Aug 2011, 9:38 pm

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You have gone out of your way to point out defect without specific suggestions.

And as I have said I have and yet you refuse to do the same for me and in fact fail to ask questions. I have taken a remarkable amount of time to study the issues, relevant rights and what popular manifestations in media of the opposition movement(s) have spoken about. When people don't want a middle ground they don't want a middle ground. Some actually do and whom are also part of the acclaimed pride movement but we never hear from them. That's why I made a point that ASAN allow it's central platform to project the views of different self-advocates. People just don't want to risk their points of views to a "diversity" of thinking styles I'd guess.

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15 Aug 2011, 9:43 pm

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As I first said, I suspect you have some things of interest to say.

Unfortunately, your posting style makes them unavailable to all but the most masochistic of readers.

Whatever of value you have to say is lost in the weeds, and you haven't given most of us enough reason to search through the weeds looking for bits of gold.

You seem incapable of separating a discussion of your posting style from your obsessions with pride and cures, which really are utterly irrelevant to what I have been trying to discuss in many of these posts. This is related to your difficulty with maintaining focus in a post and with addressing the points raised.

I have a healthy respect for diversity of thinking styles, but someone had better be damned interesting if they want me to struggle with their prose.

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15 Aug 2011, 9:52 pm

The topics I bring up are about the central sociological issues of pride and cure public relations modalities. Which by the way out of all the people with disabilities I've been around neither have been brought up where I live so it is not very popular as what some might assume. If this specific focus does not suit you then do not partake or simply differentiate a sub-topic in the same post. I assure you that I am capable of other topics. I suggest you simply reasonable separate another topic from one that is designated if you would like for me to speak about otherwise. There are many different topics I have an interest in so just designate what you would like to talk about..

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15 Aug 2011, 9:56 pm

ci - I'm going to walk away for tonight.

You are right where you started, and I can't see any point in continuing this conversation.

Then again, my posts in these threads haven't been primarily for you, but for the people who look at these threads out of morbid curiousity.

I wish you well and hope that some of what people have said sinks in over time.

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16 Aug 2011, 2:10 pm

ci wrote:

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ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.

That is your choice so be it. Just making it out as if you cannot understand when you do because you find it unpleasant to your own opinions is contradictory. People don't have to think like you do or how I do that's part of diversity and that same diversity comprises the concept of Neurodiversity. Coexisting with a diversity is going to have to take some tolerance by everyone.

I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.

I find it kind of hard to comprehend a lot of your posts in general as well, and I have always had a very high reading level......sometimes simplicity is a good thing. Not everyone can really get a lot out of a gigantic wall of text with a bunch of very complex abstract language?

is it really that ridiculous to ask that you try and simplify a little bit so people can understand what you're getting at?

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16 Aug 2011, 2:12 pm

Yes just ask questions and I'd be happy to.

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16 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

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Yes just ask questions and I'd be happy to.

I do not really understand any of what you were talking about in general so how am I supposed to figure out a good question to ask? can you tell me the basic point of your thread? in less than 200 words?

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16 Aug 2011, 2:24 pm

The intent of this post was to replace preconceived notions of the world around certain people who believe all sorts of things about N.T's (the world) with the idea of hope and change.

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16 Aug 2011, 5:16 pm

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Yes just ask questions and I'd be happy to.

I don't have any questions for you.

I don't think you have much of anything to say that interests me, and what you do seem to say I find to be uninformed or wrongness that is oddly stated.

I started interacting with you yesterday to communicate two things to you:

- Your posting style makes your posts appear to be not worth the trouble of reading
- I find your position with respect to pride ignorant and harmful

Having said those things clearly and unambiguously, I'll add one more thought and be done with you for now:

- You take yourself far too seriously

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16 Aug 2011, 5:23 pm

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Yes just ask questions and I'd be happy to.

More intellectual put downs from MR. PHD who is not even officially diagnosed. How I go about the topic Mr. Ivy League knows best is to look at it from differing perspectives and modalities. It might surprise you that someone who is not able to achieve the scholastic amplitude as you in general has the ability to be very specifically capable in a certain area relevant to your comparable perhaps though being another field to your achievements. When I speak of such matters I'm speaking about how concepts and perspectives conflict on another, why conflicts exist and someone with your education just coming across with the put downs and inability to even investigate by questioning myself about what I'm talking about simply means to me you lack scientific intellectual methods in determining properly.

I am fully able to discuss these subjects with Harvard and otherwise graduates likes I have whom have degrees in behaviour with absolutely no faults in communicating. Avoid my posts like you declared the other day and left to not bother again but this time do so for real or actually respectfully participate as if you genuinely desire constructive communication.

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16 Aug 2011, 5:50 pm

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Ignoring the personal attacks, I will say simply that I will participate in threads as I wish, and I think your communication skills could use some serious improvement.

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16 Aug 2011, 5:53 pm

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Ignoring the personal attacks, I will say simply that I will participate in threads as I wish, and I think your communication skills could use some serious improvement.

I think your ability to try to communicate at an equally intent-full level ought to be improved. You may participate but if you want to continue with the same ramble yourself you will get no where. If you want to be stub-urn and get no where with communicating with me just persist as you have as you have provided me very little means to communicate with you other then being you.

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17 Aug 2011, 11:08 pm

ci wrote:

AlanTuring wrote:

ci wrote:

Ignoring the personal attacks, I will say simply that I will participate in threads as I wish, and I think your communication skills could use some serious improvement.

Banging head against brick wall!

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17 Aug 2011, 11:12 pm

Yes I do feel like the metaphoric act of banging my head on the wall.

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