A Collaborative Aspie Project?

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I didn't? I think the closest we came to that was when you accused me of trying to exclude people just because I said some people might want to live in a city centre. Show me where.

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NTs give up for the sake of social harmony whilst sticking rigidly to false ideas big and small. Autistics don't do the first and don't have to do the second. The fact is that NTs don't rock the boat as a social coping mechanism. We don't have that coping mechanism so we're going to have to sort out the contradictions and untruths in what we think or say or we will be crushed.

Take your example about making housing being far cheaper and thus better. You forget that your example on house building being cheaper involved a person who worked in a home construction industry and so probably had experience, had a discount, lived in a country with less expensive rural land and had 60k on hand. Even more importantly you forget the fact that building a house is a lump sum whilst a mortgage has repayments: bitesize chunks.
I don't mind building houses when we have the required money/resources/skills/extra perks such as discounts but right now we don't. I admire your faith in the idea but when we have nothing it will simply be impossible to recreate your relative's example when he has so many favours working for him.

Maybe the findhorn thing can work...

Oh, I give up. You've successfully used the Wookie Defence for your ideas; you're so stubborn there is no apparant way I can convince you otherwise, because you've shut yourself off from all counter-arguments - and completely missed Marcia's post about Grand Designs as well. Goodbye.

I am not stubborn. A person who can logically explain that your example of the cheapness of a constructed house is unrealistic because it was extremely unusual in that the builder had construction experience, a discount from a house construction company, and lived in the USA, and owned the land that he built on and had sixty thousand dollars on hand and among other is not being stubborn. They are using their brain.

I can see that you just make some accusation about me being stubborn and that I am shut off whilst you fail completely to respond to any argument that I made last. You then expect me to know something that a person said when I have been concentrating on you.

Either you're easily frustrated by being called wrong or just don't have an answer because I am not being stubborn. I am saying why your logic is false.

Self-build mortgages are available for the purchase of the land, and the cost of the build itself. Money is released by the lender as the build progresses. It is not necessary to have the cash in hand before you can build your own home.

I had a look on-line at the cost of building plots which varies according to size and location of the plots. I found one for £20,000 - fully serviced plot with outline planning permission for a 3 bedroom house. Situated near a small town in Scotland, within an hour's drive of a major city, close to motorways, rail and air links. Another cost £27,500 in a more isolated location, but still in the central belt - planning permission for two 3 bed, semi-detached houses.

Based on a build cost of £450/m2, you are looking at approx £50-£70,000 per house, so total costs well below £100,000 for homes in these areas.

Various websites state that is around 20-30% cheaper to self-build than to buy a house someone else built. Not only do you cut out the property developers with their profit margin, but you don't have to pay VAT on materials for new builds.

Or how about a community self build project?

http://www.communityselfbuildagency.org.uk/

If I had know this earlier then this would have made a good reponse to my argument. Thankyou very much. Self-build mortgages. Why didn't I think of that? Could work really.


Excellent! This is amazing! I am totally sold. Why weren't these examples posted by Magneto? They would have easily illustrated a perfect set of examples and directions that seem obtainable with the mortgage on construction equipment. The issue I still feel is knowing how to build things.

Any other ideas anyone?

There is one happening right now! We need lots of participants and a great deal of contributions.

Check out this thread to see how we have all been working together to make this major, international event a possibility...

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt180576.html

We are still in the early stages so there is no shortage of positions to be filled.

i do not collaborate with who i consider to be fools.
i may be wrong but i sleep very soundly.

Don't be harsh unless you have a reason.

i can not collaborate with anyone.

i am not insulting anyone.

do not get knocked down defending your friends who i am not aiming at.
they are not fools i know.

Awesomeness ! !

Finally, something like this. I like Alex, I really like him.

Sounds great. I won't be there, but it does sound good.

Anything that doesn't require moving, though? Perhaps, an online Autist TV network/media outlet, with programmes being done by groups all over the world? A collaborative Autist book?

Later, maybe, a World Autist Congress...

Not much going on fromw what I can see when I look.

Great ideas all. I thought this discussion had run out it's usefulness, and will be replaced by the Conference thread (meaning people would divert to that thread). There's still good stuff coming here.

What happened to the conference in the end?

How about AutFest, the Autist orientated music festival? Not too loud, of course, and distributed speakers, with plenty of room so people aren't crowded. Room for people to escape if they're overwhelmed. Clearly demarcated zones for people who want to stand and simply listen or engage the person next to them in a monotonous conversation

Or maybe the Autist News Network, dealing with all the news that affect the community, both online and offline? We could cover events like Autscape as well as the latest in Autism research, or do documentries on how Autists are treated in various countries.

Maybe even set up our own Airline, AutAir... but that's further out.

Has anyone suggested starting an Aspie religion?

We can call it Aspietheism and deify famous aspies and such. Of course we will actually be atheists... the real point of this is to build culture among those with aspergers and unify us as a religious lobby to battle in the political arena.

We can start by determining what it is that the wise and aged among us know and write a manual that is for aspies by aspies. We'll call it the aspie manual and fill it with generations of aspie to aspie advice and truths. It will be straight forward, say what it says, and mean what it means at face value. No hidden contexts, just advice to live by and how to understand the NT mind. We'll even give it vesicles. It will build a culture and and will state that Aspietheism is just a philosophy group that meets on Sundays for tinkering projects or for members to donate obsession related things or a small amount of time to interested aspies as "personal tithes." Each member's piety will center upon doing something good for another member of the aspie community or their significant other(s).

Aspie Manual:
<beginning>
In the beginning the deity Aspyander (Alex) examined the independence of his fellows and among them found En (Kristen).

"Look upon our fellows" cried En, "lo, they have no jobs and genocide abounds. Autsprecher makes games of them and seeks to strip them of their identity and murder them in the womb! Our fellows are oppressed!"

To their disappointment the planet did not sustain their fellows and Aspyander spoke unto En. "Let there be a new world for our fellows and let this one be called Wrong!" Now Aspyander being moved by En's heart planted the seed of a new world to be called Aspyzipfel (Aspiekind) and with En and his fellows now known as Aspyzipfel, a new world was begun where the fellows were to create peaceful and prosperous lives in harmony and in understanding with the Neurotypical. The time was to become known as Shala (peace).

And the fellows of Aspyander and En asked, "and what will be made of this world, how will we not be alien to it? How are we to live in it?"

And so Aspyander and En gathered the elders from among his fellows and from them came advice and understanding of the Neurotypical. Wisdom the elders imparted to their fellows and from the winding clutches of Autspecher the newborns were taken and raised to become fellows of independence, honesty, and culture within diversity in their pursuit of a free and natural society of which science is the measure, and life the mandate.
</beginning>


This would then be followed by an actual account of the events leading to the creation of WP and the Aspie Revolution.

We could sell T-shirts and jewelry and create symbols of Aspie culture and use it to raise money for the creation of an Aspiecentric community somewhere? Anyone could generate cultural symbols on whatever medium, but all would be expected to tithe 10% of their Aspie culture profits to Aspietheism.