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gadge wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
webcam wrote:
As far as complainers go, they are probably having a hard time articulating their troubles... The communication problems that exist cause us to often miss-communicate what we are experiencing. What needs to happen in this case is a study of the difficulties arising from Aspie/NT interactions gone bad. Once conventions are formed and become easily understood, people will be able to describe their experiences more accurately and knowing how to term their experience will lead to more social endurance.
I've seen a concept stated in literature where someone says to their enemy "you don't even know what I can do to you" or "I will show you some proverbial hell like you have never known." What is being played at here are creating experiences for an enemy that exist outside their known conventions. The same principle is used in the "provoke" tactic in times of war or in order to instigate war or strife between people and alienate subordinates from their leader. Psychological warfare if you will.
The situation, though not intended, is very much similar to what an aspie experiences when they can't describe what is happening to them. In fact the only time I have had outbursts, it was in situations I couldn't explain, or where my explanations were too complex for most to understand. There is a definite cause for aspie strife, but it goes unrecognized because it is hard to describe and a convention of it is hard to pin down. This is where culture comes in. Getting a bunch of aspies together in a community to experience each other's lives and form these conventions of understanding that could be made into books marketed to both us and NTs.
I've seen a concept stated in literature where someone says to their enemy "you don't even know what I can do to you" or "I will show you some proverbial hell like you have never known." What is being played at here are creating experiences for an enemy that exist outside their known conventions. The same principle is used in the "provoke" tactic in times of war or in order to instigate war or strife between people and alienate subordinates from their leader. Psychological warfare if you will.
The situation, though not intended, is very much similar to what an aspie experiences when they can't describe what is happening to them. In fact the only time I have had outbursts, it was in situations I couldn't explain, or where my explanations were too complex for most to understand. There is a definite cause for aspie strife, but it goes unrecognized because it is hard to describe and a convention of it is hard to pin down. This is where culture comes in. Getting a bunch of aspies together in a community to experience each other's lives and form these conventions of understanding that could be made into books marketed to both us and NTs.
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Longshanks
@ webcam
Thats a great point. I often talked over others heads, having had difficulty "coming up with the right word" or "effectively conveying my perspective" I would often resort to talking with my hands to "express" how I felt or to put emphasis on certain "points" I was trying to make.
Another aspect is the view of NT's difficulty listening to what is being said by an Aspie. Forming opinions based on their false belief that strange people or ones with communication difficulties say nothing worth listening to.
I don't about others but if I'm expected to do my job correctly, the first time why is it OK for others not to ?
@Longshanks,
The feeling is mutual
@gadge,
Where my explanations are too complex for others to understand, it is often because there is no convention for NTs to understand it by, because they themselves have not experienced it. This is probably why you tend to talk over people's heads which both indicates that we do have a culture through mutual experience even though it often goes unrecognized by both populations. Additionally we are also greatly affected by the perceptions of others and are so predisposed to giving up when trying to explain ourselves because we are aware of the fact.
@Everyone - Culture Culture Culture!
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