Why Don't We Make Our Own Autism Foundation?

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That pollution is part of the Parasitic function or one call a phage where it kills the host cell by own waste product. If by saying that I guess I would be in agreement.

Deviation in the parasitic function does not mean less parasitic than the original group. There is no symbiotic relationship for people in this world Autistic or not.

It could be argued, and has been, that life evolved because the universe had a need for observers to collapse the wave functions of the quantum pathways and force change. In that, the more complex the mind of the observer, the more complex waveform manipulation is possible... Therefore, it is just possible, that we exist symbiotically with the universe to allow itself to actually proceed apace...

That being said, can we please drop the anthropomorphism of inorganic and inanimate organic materials?

Humans are animals and that is not going change no matter how much the believe to be superior. If you want too. I have found many will disagree with your viewpoints as well as mine.

Not sure who stated we are superior to anyone... As a matter of fact, I feel the exact opposite... what negates us and lessens us as a species is ignoring our instincts...those things which allowed us to crawl out of the dirt in the first place... as a species, as we become more and more civilized and ignore those things coded into us at the genetic level, we become less and less... With the coddling that we lavish upon our children, we diminish ourselves as a species as the strong no longer survive, but all do.

That being said... I have no problem with someone disagreeing with my opinions. That is their right... and often, my positions will change as I learn more and more about a topic. The only problem I ever have (and I am not accusing anyone of this) is willing ignorance...

The concept and stance that most people disagree with the most is that autism is a disease... I have no problems with people feeling that there is "Nothing wrong with me." However, most often, those are the same people that request (or sometimes demand) that others adjust their lifestyle, views, awareness, or behavior to accommodate the problems of the autist.

If there is nothing wrong with us, then we don't need a foundation. We don't need media representation. We don't need advocacy groups, awareness, concessions, accommodations, understanding, job placement, treatment or disability. If there is nothing wrong with us, then we don't need to educate the NTs around us as to what our perceptions are, why we might react a specific way. If there nothing wrong with us, we do not have the ability to say, please pardon me, I am over-stimulated now... We will be responsible for our meltdowns, tantrums and (gods forbid) stimming.

And that is what many of us say... There is nothing wrong with me - I am just different. Which is fine... BUT, if we feel that we need any of the above or anything special relating to our condition... then there is something wrong with us...

We can't have it both ways... And the major issue I see is that most of the "there is nothing wrong with me" crowd want both ways... And will often hold the world around them, all the NTs they encounter responsible for not being aware of the issues and behaviors associated with Autistic Spectrum Disorders...

But you have to ask yourself... if there is nothing wrong with us... why do THEY need to learn a new way to interact? Why are we holding them responsible for reacting like anyone (I.E. NT) would when it is us who acted weird at that moment?

That is a bit like an Erisian getting mad at you because you ate a hot dog with a bun on a friday... (I know that sounds non-sensical, but that is a religious prohibition for the Discordians)...

Agree or disagree... That is your right...

Chymistry, have you had the chance to read the below blog post from Asperger+? There's two posts, and they both relate to how non-profits act and how it interacts with fundraising. I think you might find them useful.

The author of the blog posts here on WP (not me).

http://hansaspergerjunior.blogspot.com/ ... rvice.html

Don't get me wrong. I do disagree with some of precepts but I needed time to think about them. Very few people are enlighten to consider they are animals too. I got in heated debates of the more religious minded people. The basic argument god gave us concoiusness or awareness whatever you call it. That means the homo-sapiens are the most advance and complex creatures alive. It was because of God. (bull patties.) It just means humans are more culpable for destroying the world. Thus we are less nothing.

Much I am puzzled by the NTs they do make some good arguments and in the system of belief. I am not saying they don't have valid points it is not point of socializing is good needs to be done but it is not the sole purpose of living or working. NT are too focus on that aspect and not looking at the quality of the person. They read to much in eye contact and misread the intentions of the people.

As for accomadation (I am sorry for mispelling the words but) I think tolerance is needed on whole for people who are different it is not about Autist or not. If you are judging a person base of gender and color skin still that does not matter if your autist or now.

I do not believe in soft skill coaching is needed
but general education that in field that can provide for people.

I would posit that we only have conscience because we are raised to have it. As has been shown by the increase of violence in recent years... conscience is not an inherent thing to humans... Correlation shows that as parents became more permissive (I.E. no corporal punishment), violent crimes rise... I do not know if the correlation indicates causation or not...

But the behavior of apes when a human child falls into their enclosure(protecting them from other apes until the child can be rescued), dogs rescuing humans and in one case another dog that had been hit by a car tell me that other animals have capability for empathy and conscience.

Animals do have it. Dolphins and some of the whales do have emotions. Chimps and Apes or higher animals as they call it.

I think problem for biologist unless animal displays behavior that we consider intelligence for example the Squid stealing food from the keepers, uh they consider it intelligent. I get the movie for that. The Biologist put security camera saw the squid open his own tank then grabbing a jar and was able to open it and steal the food. The Biologist originally thought it was the keepers.

What do dolphins have to do with the OP's topic?

Are you people trying to derail this thread on purpose?

FNORD: Conversations evolve... the topics change when that happens...

Go back a few posts and I discussed THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC...

Thank you

^THIS is why people like Chymistry often give up on great ideas - other people come along and hijack any relevant discussions to what they want them to be - such as from forming a foundation that is of, by, and for Autistics to discussing stupid dolphin tricks.

At the very least, it is a "less than an ideal" situation for readers who are looking to discuss activism to find that the thread has been changed in such a manner.

1) Please note, I am not, nor have I discussed dolphins.
2) The information I have been presenting has been directly related to the topic posted by the OP...
3) go back and read, and you will find that I actually ASKED the OP before presenting the information that is currently being discussed... I'll save you having to sort through the thread

We want a foundation by and for us... we can't do that until we have a united front... until we can all agree on the "Is it a disease" question, we will be divided.

If we approach it from the "There is nothing wrong with me" standpoint a good portion of the Autist population will feel that they are not represented... and if we approach it from the "Autism is a disease" standpoint, we loose the other half of us... So, this topic, IS relevant to the OPs suggestion...

I am sorry that the conversation took a logical turn that you feel derailed the discussion... but it was done with respect. Perhaps I should have connected the dots a little better in my line of reasoning, and I hope that doing so now ameliorates some of the perceived antagonism.

I understand your point.

I think it was done with good intentions in order to establish the basic premise another member was running off in order to find common ground with each other so the discussion can hopefully proceed to solutions. As long as it is not pages long, it can be useful and sometimes it is necessary.

Fera has clarified his intent, so hopefully we can move on now.

Please stick to the foundation topic, any further post about dolphins or any other sort of unrelated thing that isnt connected to the foundation will be split onto a more suitable topic at hand

The foundation would provide a service that is needed but it has to be different in order to find a niche. If helps people with Autism get jobs or provides with training to obtain jobs and I do not mean soft skills. The problem is training to compete in job market is expensive and the US is lagging behind tech field. As example for a need.

A foundation that makes difference in our lives would be appreciated in improving quality of life.

I think interesting discuss the merits of Autism as a disease but it is irrelevant to the Foundation question. Fera it is your perception that states it and does not change anything how a foundation combats it or not. I more concern on aspect of quality of life issues that people with Autism face in jobs and economic growth potential.