Autism and Cvil Rights!

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Oh knock off your BS already, you got put into a corner with your invalid argument and you've been trying to recover the conversation since that point, and now you're just trying to start a fight with me, so just stop. Grow up. You were wrong, and were publicly embarrassed by your own statements, get over it and move on like an adult instead of trying to make yourself look good by starting crap so I'd react to you. I humored you with a few responses, but my point has been made, and it's over.
The only consistent part about your arguments is that each and every one of them differed to suit your position in the conversation. First you tried to make it about ability, then when it was pointed out to you that it had nothing to do with ability but rather legality, you turn to your own experiences which, by your own admission, occurred prior to most of these laws being established, which totally invalidates your situation because it's not the same thing. But when that point was made, again, by you, that this happened prior to most recent laws, then you turn to "just don't tell them" which is not a solution, and instead is a statement which tells me that you're not only condoning fraud and perjury, but you're actually encouraging it.
Frankly, you couldn't relate to this modern problem any more than you could relate your life to the existence of a potato, and on that basis alone, I don't know why anyone would listen to you in this matter, to say nothing of your attempt to make your experiences relate to modern problems and laws.

Brushing your personal attacks aside ...

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18 U.S.C. § 922 prohibits the shipment, transportation, receipt, or possession in or affecting interstate commerce of a firearm by one who:

- Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence;

- Has been convicted of a felony, or any other crime, punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (this does not include State misdemeanors punishable by imprisonment of two years or less);

- Is a fugitive from justice;

- Is an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance;

- Has been adjudicated mentally defective or has been committed to a mental institution;

- Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

- Has renounced his or her U.S. citizenship;

- Is an alien illegally in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;

- Or is subject to certain restraining orders.

Furthermore, section 922 prohibits the shipment, transportation, or receipt in or affecting interstate commerce of a firearm by one who is under indictment or information for a felony, or any other crime, punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

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Where do you see ANY statement saying that it is illegal for an Aspie to buy, sell, or own a firearm?

Source: ATF Form 4473 (5300.9), Part 1, Revised April 2012 (Please read through the entire six-page form.)

That wasn't a "personal attack", that was calling you out and exposing your BS, anyone with eyes can see that, and the fact that your counter is you accusing me of attacking you personally is rather telling.

Lastly, your reference is from 2012, which is before any of the "reform" in the way of gun control took place, which was closer to 2015, which includes additional background checks into mental health and such, which leads us right back to my original point.

The simple fact is, you're still trying as hard as you possibly can to maintain the high ground in this conversation, just barely hanging on as it is, only reinforced by citing outdated information from 4 years ago, ignoring any and all changes that have happened since that time.

I am done humoring you, and frankly, if you want to waste your time further, be my guest, it's your life, it's your time, and it's your choice.
As for me, I'm done.

Conversation over.

I own firearms as well and I own them legally.

And did you buy them before, or after the latest legislation surrounding the purchase of firearms?

All I wish is that we go back to the old days where minorities were kept in the closet. We lost more rights as a whole society because of the fictional "rights" of a few identity groups. This is also adding to the point that the more recognition of disabilities, the governments are more likely to step in and discriminate against certain people.

I wish I wasn't forced to be outed with my disability to society.

Somewhat related Obama administration is planning to put into the database for instant background checks anybody applying to the Social Security admininistration for payee assistance and who had a psychiatric disability.

http://autisticadvocacy.org/2016/01/asan-opposes-ssa-rep-payee-gun-plan/

Exactly.

On that note too, if the government wants to use managing finances as a label for disability and such, maybe they should also fall into that category, since the government can't hold a single dollar without blowing it on unneeded crap. They themselves need people who can help with their finances, and yet somehow, that's one of the focuses for presenting "incompetence" it would seem. Ironic.

People who are autistic can go to college and get decent jobs. I myself an currently enrolled in college, and there are many autistic people with successful careers. However, it is unfortunate that it can be harder for autistic people to get jobs, simply because many employers will assume that we lack the competence and mental capacity to be good employees. With the way things are right now, you have to be very discerning about to whom you disclose your classification. It isn't fair that society thinks it needs to "keep us in our place," but it will get better, provided that we educate people. This kind of oppression is what was placed upon people of color just a few decades ago, and it's the same kind of oppression that has been put on homosexuals up until recently. Both cases have proven that the way to fight such oppression is to educate others and speak for yourself. One day, autistic people will be treated the same as NTs. It won't happen tomorrow, or next year, but as I always say, as long as I eat healthy, exercise, and avoid stress, I will live to see the day when autism is treated as a difference rather than as an evil disease.

The only way that we're going to overcome prejudice against us is to keep our ASDs secret, and reveal them only after we receive high accolades for our accomplishments.

Graduate Magna Cum Laude? Win Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" for starting up an Internet company that makes you a billionaire in ten years? Win the Nobel prize for finding a cure for AIDS or cancer? Win a Grammy or an Oscar? Receive the Medal of Honor for being the first human to set foot on Mars?

"Not bad for a guy with Asperger's" would be the first line from my acceptance speech.

There are a few things wrong with that plan:
The first being the most obvious in that most of those goals are rather unattainable by the vast majority of people in the entire world, to say nothing of people with an ASD. And the same would go for any other goal that would offer widespread recognition.
Second, you assume that recognition will come from accomplishment, that's not the way it works in real life, I hate to burst that bubble, but that's just how it is. When it comes to the societal sphere, not everyone even gives a crap about awards (I don't, I never watch an award ceremony, and half of the time I never know they're happening).
Third, you actually want people to stop showing their struggle against society, and replace actual awareness for setting a new precedent which will undoubtedly be used as a hammer for everyone who has an ASD who can't accomplish those things. Society would see that single person's accomplishments, hear that they have an ASD, and then, in their infinite ignorance surrounding the subject matter, sum up that we would do just fine in the grand scheme of things, and when we can't do that, they'll demonize us all over again as being "lazy" or people who "don't try hard enough", just like they do now. And you can't say that wouldn't happen because it does, even now, when the rest of us are contrasted and compared to successful people who have an ASD.

The absolute worst thing is this is f'ing 2016! Acceptance into society shouldn't even be an issue, yet it is. Society is tripping over 70 year old problems that shouldn't even exist anymore, while simultaneously awarding recognition rights to people who understand the fight and how to gain awareness. And instead of using that template to show society our infinitely complex struggle, here we are debating how to go about doing it.

I hold no hope for people on the spectrum getting recognition, gaining the favor of awareness, or even getting help for that matter, when it's a debate on how to get people to see the problem.

This is why I self-advocate now, groups just seem to be incapable of agreeing on anything.

I do not see it as an either, or situation. I do not think you need to have that extreme level of success before coming out. Just get to the point that you are respected. Even before I knew I was autistic that was the approach I used. Some people when you do not talk will listen to you closely when you finally speak up. The approach will not work all the time, many if not most of the time as many will deny your autism but if enough people do this and each time some listen change will slowly come.

Once you come out you need to educate people. You need to say while you worked hard you had some breaks or advantages along the way and you know other autistics more competent then yourself who have not made it because of non acceptence and descrimination using specific examples and specific ways common attitudes hurt autistic people.

I'm already planning ahead for my retirement party

"... and while I worked hard, I had some breaks and advantages along the way, and I know other Autistics more competent then myself who have not made it because of non-acceptance and discrimination..."

Great idea! I don't have to look very far for citable examples of non-acceptance and discrimination, not the least of which seem to be coming from within the Autistic community ...