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07 Feb 2016, 1:40 pm

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07 Feb 2016, 1:59 pm

I am so confused now.
Was this person a female to male transgender, or the other way around?


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07 Feb 2016, 2:06 pm

He was a transman so that means that he was born female and his legal name was Danielle Jacobs. Legally he was still female so I can see why he is being misgendered. It probably still says so on his ID too that he is female and that his name is Danielle Jacobs and the only reason why we know he was trans is because of his other youtube channel. Maybe he hadn't come out yet as trans in the real world except for online. I strongly believe this was suicide by cops because there is a video online he posted about not being able to transition unless he "fixes" his autism and he mentioned he has tried suicide by cop. So no wonder he was suicidal. No medical professional would let him transition unless he got his autism "fixed."


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07 Feb 2016, 2:08 pm

Video where he admits he tried doing suicide by cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLyCIkW ... e=youtu.be


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07 Feb 2016, 4:38 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I am so confused now.
Was this person a female to male transgender, or the other way around?


I was probably wrong. I assumed it was male----> female. But when I think about it, legally the ID was Danielle. I don't believe you can get a new ID until you have the operation. In my state, you can't change your gender on state ID anyway, even with the operation.

It's a mess in all the articles I have read, and in the end it does matter? The person is dead.

But, everyone I know that has read article assumes it's male----> female. So you and me are not alone. The articles do a piss poor job explaining it.

Is it any of our business that the person was transitioning? Probably not.

I have transgender friends and they said it took a while to figure out what was going on. The legal ID is what you go by.

News reporting is such dog s**t now. You shouldn't have to work that hard to understand a story.



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07 Feb 2016, 4:44 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Video where he admits he tried doing suicide by cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLyCIkW ... e=youtu.be
And there you have it. Suicide by Cop, right down to the intent. It can't be made any more obvious.

I hope that all of you cop-haters are taking notes.



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07 Feb 2016, 4:53 pm

Tawaki wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I am so confused now.
Was this person a female to male transgender, or the other way around?


I was probably wrong. I assumed it was male----> female. But when I think about it, legally the ID was Danielle. I don't believe you can get a new ID until you have the operation. In my state, you can't change your gender on state ID anyway, even with the operation.

It's a mess in all the articles I have read, and in the end it does matter? The person is dead.

But, everyone I know that has read article assumes it's male----> female. So you and me are not alone. The articles do a piss poor job explaining it.

Is it any of our business that the person was transitioning? Probably not.

I have transgender friends and they said it took a while to figure out what was going on. The legal ID is what you go by.

News reporting is such dog s**t now. You shouldn't have to work that hard to understand a story.



I think anyone can get a legal name change so can a female get their name changed to a male name?

Why does it matter even if he is dead about what we refer him as? It's out of respect for the person and for the LGBT community. Just because someone dies doesn't mean the respect stops.


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07 Feb 2016, 7:27 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Tawaki wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I am so confused now.
Was this person a female to male transgender, or the other way around?


I was probably wrong. I assumed it was male----> female. But when I think about it, legally the ID was Danielle. I don't believe you can get a new ID until you have the operation. In my state, you can't change your gender on state ID anyway, even with the operation.

It's a mess in all the articles I have read, and in the end it does matter? The person is dead.

But, everyone I know that has read article assumes it's male----> female. So you and me are not alone. The articles do a piss poor job explaining it.

Is it any of our business that the person was transitioning? Probably not.

I have transgender friends and they said it took a while to figure out what was going on. The legal ID is what you go by.

News reporting is such dog s**t now. You shouldn't have to work that hard to understand a story.



I think anyone can get a legal name change so can a female get their name changed to a male name?

Why does it matter even if he is dead about what we refer him as? It's out of respect for the person and for the LGBT community. Just because someone dies doesn't mean the respect stops.


Who said anything about disrespect?

The article was very confusing. I have transgender friends and they said the article was confusing.

I'm all about giving Kayden the respect he deserves as a person. I don't think you should have to hunt down a YouTube channel to figure out back the story.

I've been active in the LGBT community since 1982. You don't have to school me about "being sensitive".



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07 Feb 2016, 8:01 pm

I didn't hunt anything down. I didn't even know he had another youtube channel until another article said and I saw the video posted by someone on another website who were also talking about this.

I was answering your question to "It's a mess in all the articles I have read, and in the end it does matter? The person is dead." Maybe I misunderstood. :-?


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08 Feb 2016, 7:25 am

it would take someone very seriously intent on killing themselves to do suicide by cop.because the only way to do that is to point a weapon at a cop,so if you end up surviving your going to jail for a while.

i read this article a few days ago on MSN i think but the details were to fuzzy for a conclusion


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08 Feb 2016, 11:56 am

vermontsavant wrote:
it would take someone very seriously intent on killing themselves to do suicide by cop.because the only way to do that is to point a weapon at a cop,so if you end up surviving your going to jail for a while.

i read this article a few days ago on MSN i think but the details were to fuzzy for a conclusion


It said he went at them with a knife. Some articles say he charged them with a knife. And one other said he went to them with the knife.


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08 Feb 2016, 2:36 pm

Some of the more reliable European news sources - those that carried the story, anyway - reported that the individual was still anatomically female, having not undergone any surgical procedures or hormonal treatments to transition to a male form. They also stated that the individual's legal name at time of death was still "Danielle Jacobs". This is likely the name that will appear on the death certificate and the headstone.

So, it would seems that despite any claims to the contrary, the individual was still legally and anatomically a cis-woman, and not a trans-man (except in the individual's own mind, of course).

(Unfortunately, Cloudflare seems to have chosen this time to block my ability to post links.)



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08 Feb 2016, 2:55 pm

where was the dog? was he locked out ?



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08 Feb 2016, 3:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
Some of the more reliable European news sources - those that carried the story, anyway - reported that the individual was still anatomically female, having not undergone any surgical procedures or hormonal treatments to transition to a male form. They also stated that the individual's legal name at time of death was still "Danielle Jacobs". This is likely the name that will appear on the death certificate and the headstone.

So, it would seems that despite any claims to the contrary, the individual was still legally and anatomically a cis-woman, and not a trans-man (except in the individual's own mind, of course).

(Unfortunately, Cloudflare seems to have chosen this time to block my ability to post links.)


He identified as male and had made the transition in that sense. What genitals he had are not relevant and none of our business. He was a man. Stop being so intentionally disrespectful, Fnord. It's childish and reflects poorly on you as a person.



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08 Feb 2016, 5:55 pm

wilburforce wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Some of the more reliable European news sources - those that carried the story, anyway - reported that the individual was still anatomically female, having not undergone any surgical procedures or hormonal treatments to transition to a male form. They also stated that the individual's legal name at time of death was still "Danielle Jacobs". This is likely the name that will appear on the death certificate and the headstone. So, it would seems that despite any claims to the contrary, the individual was still legally and anatomically a cis-woman, and not a trans-man (except in the individual's own mind, of course). (Unfortunately, Cloudflare seems to have chosen this time to block my ability to post links.)
He identified as male and had made the transition in that sense. What genitals he had are not relevant and none of our business. He was a man. Stop being so intentionally disrespectful, Fnord. It's childish and reflects poorly on you as a person.
Stop stalking me with your lies and personal attacks.



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08 Feb 2016, 6:24 pm

So... be different -> get killed?! I've got nil respect left over for police here. They kill or irrationally subjugate anyone they know they can't extort, or they just commit highway robberies so people can 'forfeit civil assets'. I've sacrificed a lot to the police state, in doing so I learned that our country is just done with them until there's some real standard applied to badges & guns. Being too poorly trained with weapons to realize shooting someone with a knife is is wrong, is not just pathetic, it's inexcusable. For one thing, they were just inviting a ricochet & obviously the victim had neighbors. The cars say "protect & serve" but there they went, pumping lead into their poster children.

Next time I encounter a cop, the first thing I say will be a dubious line of questions about their stance on range safety training.


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