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04 Feb 2017, 12:38 pm

iliketrees wrote:

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My point is women would be the focus, since feminists believe equality would be reached through increasing women's rights. So what if a few of them don't completely ignore men if they still believe women are "oppressed"?

That's a straw man, and reflects either ignorance of feminist thought or trolling, and I'm going to treat it accordingly.

How's it any different to what you said here?

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(feminism: "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes")

It's not a zero-sum question.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:41 pm

Niall wrote:

iliketrees wrote:

Niall wrote:

iliketrees wrote:

That's a straw man, and reflects either ignorance of feminist thought or trolling, and I'm going to treat it accordingly.

How's it any different to what you said here?

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(feminism: "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes")

It's not a zero-sum question.

Where did I say it's zero-sum?

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04 Feb 2017, 12:44 pm

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Where did I say it's zero-sum?

You didn't, but it's the only way I see to interpret what you did say. You don't gain equality by increasing the rights of one group (and possibly decreasing those of another group). You ensure everyone has the same rights, and yes, sometimes that may mean making specific allowances, just as we often demand for ourselves as autistics.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:53 pm

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How did it encourage men to murder women? Killing a person in a game is not the same as real life. Many Feminist falsely claim one in four women will be rapped in college, but I do agree one assault is to many. Sexual assault isn't strictly a women problem though.

Try reading something that isn't some MRA site, please? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30328314

No, a few newspapers misreported a study that said something completely different, and a few individuals picked up on it. You can't generalise from a few women to an entire group any more than you can generalise from the BS on an MRA site to all men (thankfully). Deciding that if it's not one in four that it's then not a problem is an issue.

Note that we digress. Shall we take this back to the question of feminism and autism?

I don't read MRA sites. I don't see any evidence in the article of the claims made. The game has not been proven to cause violence.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:55 pm

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I don't read MRA sites. I don't see any evidence in the article of the claims made. The game has not been proven to cause violence.

Cause, perhaps not. Normalise, certainly, and that's a problem. If you want the "right" to play games where you rape and murder women, then see a doctor.

It's interesting you don't read MRA sites, because your views seem more than consistent with them.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:56 pm

Niall wrote:

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Where did I say it's zero-sum?

You didn't, but it's the only way I see to interpret what you did say.

How about asking instead of assuming? I don't think increasing female rights decreases male rights. I just don't think women are "oppressed" like feminists do.

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just as we often demand for ourselves as autistics

What does this mean?

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04 Feb 2017, 1:00 pm

iliketrees wrote:

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iliketrees wrote:

Where did I say it's zero-sum?

You didn't, but it's the only way I see to interpret what you did say.

How about asking instead of assuming? I don't think increasing female rights decreases male rights. I just don't think women are "oppressed" like feminists do.

Oppressed is a complicated one. Disadvantaged in a patriarchal society, as auties are in NT society? Certainly.

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just as we often demand for ourselves as autistics

What does this mean?

That those of us involved in autie advocacy, as opposed to blaming SJWs for all our problems, campaign for allowances to be made.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:03 pm

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I don't read MRA sites. I don't see any evidence in the article of the claims made. The game has not been proven to cause violence.

I am an egalitarian. I personally don't like those games, but if someone wants to play them then I see no problem. People can distinguish between video games and reality. There are plenty of games where you murder men, why aren't those a problem? I support a persons right to do anything they want as long as it is not forced on others. You can kill plenty of men in GTA.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:08 pm

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I don't read MRA sites. I don't see any evidence in the article of the claims made. The game has not been proven to cause violence.

It normalises attitudes that result in sexual violence.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:11 pm

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Oppressed is a complicated one. Disadvantaged in a patriarchal society, as auties are in NT society? Certainly.

This feminist belief is what I'm referring to, yeah. How could someone who views women as disadvantaged view the issues men have as anything but trivial?

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campaign for allowances to be made

Such as?

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04 Feb 2017, 1:13 pm

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Niall wrote:

Oppressed is a complicated one. Disadvantaged in a patriarchal society, as auties are in NT society? Certainly.

This feminist belief is what I'm referring to, yeah. How could someone who views women as disadvantaged view the issues men have as anything but trivial?

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campaign for allowances to be made

Such as?

Definitely trolling. Either that or so ignorant of the question under discussion that I really can't be bothered.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:15 pm

Niall wrote:

BettaPonic wrote:

Niall wrote:

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I don't read MRA sites. I don't see any evidence in the article of the claims made. The game has not been proven to cause violence.

It normalises attitudes that result in sexual violence.

You haven't presented evidence of that. Does Halo normalize murder?

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04 Feb 2017, 1:27 pm

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You haven't presented evidence of that. Does Halo normalize murder?

How does this look? Lots of nice men who aren't really dehumanising women? http://melindatankardreist.com/2014/12/ ... -auto-win/

If it had been one idiot teenager, sure, I'd have dismissed it as an isolated incident. Throw this plus Gamergate into the mix, and I'm not going to do that.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:32 pm

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Definitely trolling. Either that or so ignorant of the question under discussion that I really can't be bothered.

What an incredibly lazy and hypocritical deflection.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:38 pm

iliketrees wrote:

Niall wrote:

Definitely trolling. Either that or so ignorant of the question under discussion that I really can't be bothered.

What an incredibly lazy and hypocritical deflection.

Ok, I'll spell this out. I'm sorry I can't do it in words of one syllable.

Feminism is not about increasing women's rights at the expense of those of men. It is about addressing the structural inequalities in our societies that result in everything from the pay gap, to Trump's assault on women to the fact that the autie unemployment rate is around eighty-five ****ing per cent.

Meanwhile, we have idjits in the autie community who hate feminism so much that they would rather throw away alliances that would benefit all of us than treat women with respect.

Yeah, that pisses me off.

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04 Feb 2017, 1:45 pm

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Feminism is not about increasing women's rights at the expense of those of men

I have neither said this nor believe this. In fact I've already stated that I don't believe this to be true. You're fighting a strawman.

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than treat women with respect

More lazy strawman tactics.

Address me instead of your strawman please.

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