Slate article regarding autism and sex offenses

Post Reply New Topic

Thank you Kraftie, it's upsetting and incorrect to (try to) represent all of us (autistic) males in the way rdos did.

I should expand on this.

If Autism is used as an excuse to avoid a prison sentence, then the only way to do that is to make it applicable under an insanity plea -- no prison time in exchanged for a lifetime of medication. However, such a person would not get hired, and would likely either end up homeless or committing suicide by cop.

No, make autistic sex offenders fully accountable, but place them in a special prison population specifically for autistic sex offenders, with specially-trained guards to supervise them.

A parent shouldn't have to hover over their child and just let them have their own space and freedom. I am not saying the five year old should be left at the park by themselves but the chances of a child being taken by a random stranger is less than winning the lottery and the child is more likely to be taken by someone they know. 5 is old enough to be on the swings by themselves without a parent standing right there. I swung by myself at that age without needing my mom to stand there. The parent is still there but they are like on a park bench or with their toddler or watching their other kids and taking videos.

I was a rare case then because at age 12, I had a fully developed body, size D breasts and yes I could pass off as a young adult if I had worn make up. But I passed off as a high schooler so some people thought I was 15. Most thought I was 14.

I have seen a 12 year old that looked 17. But I agree, it would be rare for a 12 year old to be mistaken as an adult without make up and not dressing so sexy that shows their body. But having as full adult body at age 12 isn't fun either. That is was lead to my body image issues and body dysmorphia and eating disorder. Being 12 and you are being told what you can and can't wear because you must not wear clothes that show your body. Being told how you must dress now like if you want to wear stretch pants, you must wear long shirts that cover your hips and thighs. If you wear short shirts, you must wear looser pants. My mom denies she told me any of this and said this never happened and my teacher never told her boys were staring at me in class. Instead she said she wouldn't let me get a dress at Ross and it would have been fine at 17 but not when I am 13.

Just because a 12 year old is having sex doesn't mean they are ready for a relationship with an adult. This is something pedophiles will use to justify child adult relationships and say that underage kids can consent and even their allies will say the same. Sure kids will have sex and explore it but they do it with other kids their own age. Which is why parents must do that talk with them and teach them how to use condoms and use birth control and tell them about what happens if they get pregnant and what their options are. It would be naive to assume you can actually keep your kid from having it so you have to do these other things.

I knew a lot of 12-year old girls back in junior high school who looked as well-developed as the women in some of my dad's magazines that he had hidden in the garage. Some strutted proudly in their tight jeans and translucent blouses while others walked all hunched over and wore bulky, opaque clothing. Back then, they all caught my attention. Nowadays, I feel sorry for them.

Just imagine if we were given this "privilege," then more pedophiles with autism will try and use this to go scot free. They will even try to get themselves diagnosed too to get off.

I am fully aware that not all child sex abusers are pedophiles but even those abusers would use their autism too when caught.

It's already bad enough that criminals will try and fake insanity but I bet they don't know they will just get hospitalized and be kept there if found not guilty. So they didn't really get off scot free. And it seems pretty rare for someone with a mental illness to be found not guilty and be held unaccountable because they still go to prison and they still get capital punishment.

This scenario formed the basis for an episode of Law and Order , Special Victims Unit . https://lawandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Gabriel_Duvall I feel that it shouldn't be a cop out , in and of itself , but if there might be diminished mens rea , that should be taken into account .

Diminished mens rea easily falls under then category of non compos mentis.

It's pretty scary that more criminals would be diagnosed with AS as a throwaway diagnoses just to keep them from getting a heavy sentence if autism started to be used as a defense for this. Wouldn't it be malpractice if a doctor actually gave them that diagnoses because they were told to, not because the person fit into the diagnoses and it was positive on the tests he or she had given them. It's bad enough that people are skeptical when a criminal has a mental illness or some sort of brain damage of some sort, same as when they get diagnosed.

Do not forget the psychological damage.

I think you (and others as well) need to go back and read again what I said. I said that ALL men (not just autistic) view 12 years olds as somewhat attractive. I also wrote that there was absolutely no difference between autistic / neurodiverse men and NTs. I presented girls 12-30 years old to participants, but I didn't tell the participants their age so they could not factor in the age of consent and similar cultural issues into their ratings.

Why don't you post here how large the group of participants was, how you chose them and the pictures you used. Did by any chance the 12-year-old look older or wearing make-up or revealing clothes?

There are many ways of manipulating results in such "studies" and if you are indeed in good faith, post a link to this "research".

My mom and husband never believe any studies because they both know they can both be skewed.

Take for example, someone shows a study of more white people being shot by cops than black people (someone actually posted this study as an argument for why there is no racism involved there) but they don't take into account what the reasons are why they are shot. They only show race and that is it.

I used 5 different pictures per age (a total of 5 x 18 = 90 pictures). The population used was about 5,000 per picture set (25,000 in total). The pictures were found with Google searching for "girls", "women" and similar and the age. That was also the problem given that to publish such a study you need to use pictures that are flagged for reuse, but that is an impossible method in such a research study.

Edit: It was actually much larger than that. I first evaluated each set with a population of 1,500 - 2,000 per set where a single random picture was given. I then used a random set and let people rate all ages (presented in random order). The total population used in this study was 16,000. Although, since only half of the population was surveyed (males), the actual population used was about half of the above figures.

Last edited by rdos on 25 Jul 2019, 2:51 am, edited 2 times in total.

Sorry was specifically addressing League girl's comment that "a lot of men are pervs" not how attractive a 12 yr old is...