ASD folk should stick together like ethnic minorities

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Sorry not trying to shame. its just I am prone to wallowing in self pity/being unproductive. so I don't want others to make my mistakes. but yes I think we ASD should organize for our own self interest

we need to hang out in REAL LIFE we ASD spend WAAAY too much time on the computer! (i can spend 10 hours so I am a hypocrite lol). but I am just trying to eliminate self defeating behaviors we do (lets not kid ourselves a LOT of us tend to rot away hiding on our computers #NOTALL)

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So, since you are unproductive, you assume everyone else with ASD is unproductive?

Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!

Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.

yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to

THANK YOU!

THANK YOU! this is EXACTLY our problem!

Solipsism + Dunning-Kruger = Self-Defeat

Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?

Given the equation you posted, I have to wonder if this was intended as a trick question to the intended recipient of said question.

I am more interested in facts than truth. How many in relation to the autistic community? Is this a general assumption based on personal perception of, for example, posts on WP? That is a very selective population. (IRL I am a policy analyst and so I am more interested in hard data and not generalizations.)

Now are they not making an effort because they are lazy or they are not making an effort because their autism takes all their energy? And there is the problem. Do Black people have lower household earnings because they are not working hard or because of the barriers race presents?

I am all on board for autism advocacy. I applaud the OP for his ideas. Now, with any advocacy, not everyone in the population is going to act. The point is to inspire those that want to engage. And there are more ways to contribute than simply through socialization. I totally get the intentions are good, but the message is counter productive. I think you will find an inclusive approach is going to be better than an exclusive one.

I think we get the point. I don't want this to be about the messaging. I just think we need to account for all in the community and give people opportunities whatever their abilities are.

OK then on an employment level I agree with you.

Just seems like there's a lot of people on here the last couple of days who have been assuming being autistic is this big negative sad thing and being alone is as bad as us as it is for NTs. People who long to be NT.

People, and especially autistic people, should be content in their own company during their off time. However, this requires more work than just going to the pub and blowing your brains out with alcohol requires. It requires having genuine hobbies.

If you need a job (either for money or because you are incapable of creating your own healthy routines), getting a job working for another autistic person is a good idea.

But there is no shame in that work being independent work we're actually suited to rather than group work.

My issue is you thinking you can shift all autistic people across the country/world. The way I see it, family comes first. If family are scum and reject their kin just for being autistic, it might be worth it for those specific individuals to move.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a pandemic. Over here, the country is in lockdown. NTs who work in groups are doing it over Zoom. That's why screen time is so high for people and why it's not great to say 'get out of the house' - I do go to the local park but I've been out a lot less over the last year or so than the year before it: it's not safe, my NT family members don't go out either for the same damn reason.

As long as we learn to focus on other things than just the computer, there's no issue. Take up art or learn an instrument or something. If you live with family, play board games with them. Go for walks at the park.

It amazes me how many people on WP don't get autism. There have been a whole host of studies on implicit bias against autistics. Reading Dale Carnegie is not going magically cure autism where you can win friends and influence people. NTS are too cagey for that. Sure, we can all learn and improve our mask. That only goes so far. Given the diversity of our tribe, there are only some of our tribe that might work well for.

cool but science says otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation

Maybe it is just the personal pride talking, but I did it -- I made something of myself in spite of all the disadvantages I had.  Maybe if I had received my official diagnosis 45 years earlier, I too would have learned that I am "supposed" to be too handicapped to be able to do anything on my own.  As it is, I had to struggle much harder than most NTs who have their careers handed to them, and without knowing why I had to struggle.

Oh, and by the way ... I did not read any of Dale Carnegie's books until after I had made a successful life for myself.  If he was still alive, I could easily (and justifiably) point out exactly where he was wrong.