27 Feb 2008, 7:51 pm
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28 Feb 2008, 2:07 am
I Think I am In Love with Obama! 
29 Feb 2008, 6:02 am
29 Feb 2008, 7:29 am
29 Feb 2008, 8:25 am
I was already planning on voting for him, and this just re-enforces my vote 
29 Feb 2008, 11:13 am
AspieDave wrote:
zendell wrote:
OK I can see you political theory is as developed as your biochemistry....
First-go read... a LOT. Start with The Federalist Papers. When you have a good grasp of the theory of the social contract reread what you wrote... The one thing you do NOT want is a society that's ruled by "survival of the fittest", because that means the most brutal killers RULE. Think Ghengis Khan with with automatic weapons, poison gas and nuclear munitions... Read some Jefferson, and some Franklin, then move on to other political systems. Ours isn't good, it's just the best that's been tried so far. Hopefully the current inhabitant of the White House hasn't done irreparable damage.
Obama has his good points. He has his bad points. Overall, his good ones outweigh his bad ones imho. Regardless, I will vote against McCain. A few years ago he made some good points, but in the past 2 years he's gone so far downhill it's unbelievable. Once he knelt down in homage to the Christian Right I found I could never support him. Heinlein pointed out more than once, no matter if you can't find someone you WANT to vote for, you can always find someone you want to vote AGAINST. The important thing is to VOTE. That's part of the social contract too, zendell. Voting is participating in the government.
Quote:
Politicians can support everyone if they raise taxes high enough since what they are doing is stealing from those with money and redistributing it to others to buy votes.
OK I can see you political theory is as developed as your biochemistry....
First-go read... a LOT. Start with The Federalist Papers. When you have a good grasp of the theory of the social contract reread what you wrote... The one thing you do NOT want is a society that's ruled by "survival of the fittest", because that means the most brutal killers RULE. Think Ghengis Khan with with automatic weapons, poison gas and nuclear munitions... Read some Jefferson, and some Franklin, then move on to other political systems. Ours isn't good, it's just the best that's been tried so far. Hopefully the current inhabitant of the White House hasn't done irreparable damage.
Obama has his good points. He has his bad points. Overall, his good ones outweigh his bad ones imho. Regardless, I will vote against McCain. A few years ago he made some good points, but in the past 2 years he's gone so far downhill it's unbelievable. Once he knelt down in homage to the Christian Right I found I could never support him. Heinlein pointed out more than once, no matter if you can't find someone you WANT to vote for, you can always find someone you want to vote AGAINST. The important thing is to VOTE. That's part of the social contract too, zendell. Voting is participating in the government.
UTILITARIAN CRAP, John Locke was the guy who influenced the founding fathers with "social contract theory". :Barfs: Read "Genealogy of Morals" if you want a good rebuttal to all that Utilitarian nonsense.
29 Feb 2008, 12:36 pm
29 Feb 2008, 1:30 pm
IdahoAspie wrote:
I Think I am In Love with Obama!
haha my cousin was on the cover of the washington post (local paper in d.c.) about to smooch him on the cheek.
29 Feb 2008, 2:05 pm
I generally don't do politics... but I've looked at BO's ( 
) plan because it seems obvious he's going to be the next president... and found a candidate I can stand behind on this and many other issues, whereas the other candidates just seem full of hot air.
An interesting aside... since the primaries are in TX this week, I've been getting LOTS of recorded phone calls reminding me to support John McCain or Hillary Clinton.
One call from the Obama campaign. From an actual person.
I'll be voting this year, even though I realize "old money" and special interest groups will always be in control. Can Barack REALLY change that? Probably not, but it's worth a shot.
29 Feb 2008, 2:18 pm
SuedeIII wrote:
I generally don't do politics... but I've looked at BO's ( ) plan because it seems obvious he's going to be the next president... and found a candidate I can stand behind on this and many other issues, whereas the other candidates just seem full of hot air.
An interesting aside... since the primaries are in TX this week, I've been getting LOTS of recorded phone calls reminding me to support John McCain or Hillary Clinton.
One call from the Obama campaign. From an actual person.
I'll be voting this year, even though I realize "old money" and special interest groups will always be in control. Can Barack REALLY change that? Probably not, but it's worth a shot.
) plan because it seems obvious he's going to be the next president... and found a candidate I can stand behind on this and many other issues, whereas the other candidates just seem full of hot air.An interesting aside... since the primaries are in TX this week, I've been getting LOTS of recorded phone calls reminding me to support John McCain or Hillary Clinton.
One call from the Obama campaign. From an actual person.
I'll be voting this year, even though I realize "old money" and special interest groups will always be in control. Can Barack REALLY change that? Probably not, but it's worth a shot.
Who knows what in store for us in the future?
Go Obama!! !! !!
01 Mar 2008, 5:57 am
Kalister1 wrote:
AspieDave wrote:
zendell wrote:
OK I can see you political theory is as developed as your biochemistry....
First-go read... a LOT. Start with The Federalist Papers. When you have a good grasp of the theory of the social contract reread what you wrote... The one thing you do NOT want is a society that's ruled by "survival of the fittest", because that means the most brutal killers RULE. Think Ghengis Khan with with automatic weapons, poison gas and nuclear munitions... Read some Jefferson, and some Franklin, then move on to other political systems. Ours isn't good, it's just the best that's been tried so far. Hopefully the current inhabitant of the White House hasn't done irreparable damage.
Obama has his good points. He has his bad points. Overall, his good ones outweigh his bad ones imho. Regardless, I will vote against McCain. A few years ago he made some good points, but in the past 2 years he's gone so far downhill it's unbelievable. Once he knelt down in homage to the Christian Right I found I could never support him. Heinlein pointed out more than once, no matter if you can't find someone you WANT to vote for, you can always find someone you want to vote AGAINST. The important thing is to VOTE. That's part of the social contract too, zendell. Voting is participating in the government.
Quote:
Politicians can support everyone if they raise taxes high enough since what they are doing is stealing from those with money and redistributing it to others to buy votes.
OK I can see you political theory is as developed as your biochemistry....
First-go read... a LOT. Start with The Federalist Papers. When you have a good grasp of the theory of the social contract reread what you wrote... The one thing you do NOT want is a society that's ruled by "survival of the fittest", because that means the most brutal killers RULE. Think Ghengis Khan with with automatic weapons, poison gas and nuclear munitions... Read some Jefferson, and some Franklin, then move on to other political systems. Ours isn't good, it's just the best that's been tried so far. Hopefully the current inhabitant of the White House hasn't done irreparable damage.
Obama has his good points. He has his bad points. Overall, his good ones outweigh his bad ones imho. Regardless, I will vote against McCain. A few years ago he made some good points, but in the past 2 years he's gone so far downhill it's unbelievable. Once he knelt down in homage to the Christian Right I found I could never support him. Heinlein pointed out more than once, no matter if you can't find someone you WANT to vote for, you can always find someone you want to vote AGAINST. The important thing is to VOTE. That's part of the social contract too, zendell. Voting is participating in the government.
UTILITARIAN CRAP, John Locke was the guy who influenced the founding fathers with "social contract theory". :Barfs: Read "Genealogy of Morals" if you want a good rebuttal to all that Utilitarian nonsense.
Zur Genealogie der Moral should be "taken with a grain of salt".
Nietzche was right about everything, and wrong about everything. Which is to say that one can't really take his word for anything. One has to think it through thouroughly.
This is really a matter of opinion more than of "facts" and "rebuttals". Some like to be "Free" more than they like to stay alive.
Some like to stay alive more than they like to be "Free".
Some are not quite sure.
And many change their minds, repeatedly.
Personally, I don't fully agree with utilitarianism. Results seem - currently - secondary to me.
According to the original statement, am I to understand that politicians are buying votes by increasing taxes? Don't most U.S. americans hate taxes? That may be a misconception fed by television, I suppose.
I like taxes. I have enough money, on the whole. Good infrastucture and free healthcare sounds nice. But that's just my opinion.
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