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Should eradicating Austism be considered a hate crime?
yes 51%  51%  [ 65 ]
no 19%  19%  [ 24 ]
maybe, given the right circumstances 23%  23%  [ 30 ]
I don't know 7%  7%  [ 9 ]
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10 Mar 2008, 4:57 pm

I am a marketing specialist... if you guys are serious, I hereby throw my pointy little head into the ring and volunteer my abilities to the cause. It's not like I don't do my little bit already, but more can always be done.

I don't have the time nor the funds to do this, but I'll put my time, efforts and energies where my mouth is if someone else will volunteer the time, efforts and energies to organize it.

What the project would need is a bankroller... Someone with money who believes in the cause.



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10 Mar 2008, 5:24 pm

Pepperfire wrote:
What the project would need is a bankroller... Someone with money who believes in the cause.


How much money?


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10 Mar 2008, 5:51 pm

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No, it should not be made into a criminal act because doing so would simply be too much of a risk to our freedom of speech and thought.


Okay, so would you be in favor of finding a cure? I would be myself if I didn't think the cure could haunt those of us that don't want it.


I am for Science. The more we know, the better. Basic research is most useful, but it will not get any money,
while "the cure" will. Better than nothing. Also, some people want the cure desperately.

There are legitimate concerns about (still hypothetical) cure, lobotomy warns,
but I would expect heated discussion about when to use cure, not whether to look for it.

Arguments of some anti-cure people are very strange, it seems to me they consider even learning NT skills
as personal defeat - something that shifts them towards hated NTs.
(I wonder whether they would deliberately eat mercury if it was found as cause of AS)



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10 Mar 2008, 7:53 pm

orangered wrote:
I am for Science. The more we know, the better. Basic research is most useful, but it will not get any money,
while "the cure" will. Better than nothing. Also, some people want the cure desperately.

There are legitimate concerns about (still hypothetical) cure, lobotomy warns,
but I would expect heated discussion about when to use cure, not whether to look for it.

Arguments of some anti-cure people are very strange, it seems to me they consider even learning NT skills
as personal defeat - something that shifts them towards hated NTs.
(I wonder whether they would deliberately eat mercury if it was found as cause of AS)


I am part of a more moderate group of the anti-cure movement I'm not against blending in with society. however I would oppose any research into a cure until 1. genetic screening against autism is illegal 2. cure requires written consent from all guardians and if the individual is capable of communicating their written consent.
Essentially I don't want us to be eliminated as a group and I want to maintain a choice for myself and my children not to take the cure.


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10 Mar 2008, 10:09 pm

alex wrote:
Pepperfire wrote:
What the project would need is a bankroller... Someone with money who believes in the cause.


How much money?


lurking with great interest in this turn of events!

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11 Mar 2008, 12:04 am

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There's enough of us that we should be able to make some noise. I think we should form some sort of mass movement to bring attention to the fact that sending a negative message about autistics is not the way to go.

Suggestions? You are the most respected figure here, and someone most of us look up to. You probably are in the best possible position to do such a thing, and I'm sure many (though perhaps not all) of us would support any such effort you spearheaded.


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11 Mar 2008, 12:06 am

Aranittara wrote:
I am part of a more moderate group of the anti-cure movement I'm not against blending in with society. however I would oppose any research into a cure until 1. genetic screening against autism is illegal 2. cure requires written consent from all guardians and if the individual is capable of communicating their written consent.
Essentially I don't want us to be eliminated as a group and I want to maintain a choice for myself and my children not to take the cure.

I'm also not against blending in with society- for those who are able. Others should be tolerated as they are. And I'm against the existence of even a "voluntary" cure as I doubt it would often be the choice of the individual in question, more likely it would be the parents when the child was still young, and the parents would not be given the full story before "treatment" either. We would go from a tiny minority to essentially nonexistent.


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11 Mar 2008, 12:56 am

Orwell wrote:
alex wrote:
There's enough of us that we should be able to make some noise. I think we should form some sort of mass movement to bring attention to the fact that sending a negative message about autistics is not the way to go.

Suggestions? You are the most respected figure here, and someone most of us look up to. You probably are in the best possible position to do such a thing, and I'm sure many (though perhaps not all) of us would support any such effort you spearheaded.


and I can see the utility of gathering others to speak just as prominantly.

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11 Mar 2008, 4:47 am

Orwell wrote:
Aranittara wrote:
I am part of a more moderate group of the anti-cure movement I'm not against blending in with society. however I would oppose any research into a cure until 1. genetic screening against autism is illegal 2. cure requires written consent from all guardians and if the individual is capable of communicating their written consent.
Essentially I don't want us to be eliminated as a group and I want to maintain a choice for myself and my children not to take the cure.

I'm also not against blending in with society- for those who are able. Others should be tolerated as they are. And I'm against the existence of even a "voluntary" cure as I doubt it would often be the choice of the individual in question, more likely it would be the parents when the child was still young, and the parents would not be given the full story before "treatment" either. We would go from a tiny minority to essentially nonexistent.


you are right maybe cure can only be given to age 3/4/5 and up


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11 Mar 2008, 5:03 am

Aranittara wrote:
I am part of a more moderate group of the anti-cure movement I'm not against blending in with society. however I would oppose any research into a cure until 1. genetic screening against autism is illegal 2. cure requires written consent from all guardians and if the individual is capable of communicating their written consent.

No problem with these requirements.
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Essentially I don't want us to be eliminated as a group and I want to maintain a choice for myself and my children not to take the cure.

Well, I do not identify myself with any group. Sorry for disappointing those who feel otherwise.
I like some people, and I dislike some people, and these are scattered throughout any large groups.
So I am concerned that individuals might be treated badly, but I do not understand arguments
about "diminishing the group".



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11 Mar 2008, 8:05 am

Orwell wrote:
alex wrote:
There's enough of us that we should be able to make some noise. I think we should form some sort of mass movement to bring attention to the fact that sending a negative message about autistics is not the way to go.

Suggestions? You are the most respected figure here, and someone most of us look up to. You probably are in the best possible position to do such a thing, and I'm sure many (though perhaps not all) of us would support any such effort you spearheaded.



There are so many ways to get our voices heard.

For instance, I'm going to be speaking to the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee in DC (the executive office building across from the white house) on Friday. I will be urging the committee to appropriate more government funding to research that can result in increasing the quality of life for autistic people as opposed to using that money for scientific studies with the goal of prenatal screenings (which doesn't help the millions of americans with autism at all). I will also be expressing my discontent that the committee includes Allison Tepper Singer, the VP of Autism Speaks (the woman who talked about running her kid off the brooklyn bridge). The head of the National Institute of Health is the chair of the committee I believe and all the members should be at the meeting on friday.


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11 Mar 2008, 8:24 am

It depends on whether eradicating autism means eradicating autistic people or not. If it means alleviating those who are genuinely suffering and would like to be cured, then no, it isn't a hate crime at all. If it means killing everyone on the spectrum, then yes of course it would be genocide, or something akin to it. But it isn't that black and white.


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11 Mar 2008, 8:30 am

orangered wrote:
Aranittara wrote:
Essentially I don't want us to be eliminated as a group and I want to maintain a choice for myself and my children not to take the cure.

Well, I do not identify myself with any group. Sorry for disappointing those who feel otherwise.

In that case you would be happy with a cure for maleness? This is also genetic. It is a well know fact that males are more <insert adjective of choice here> than females. They should obviously be cured. You would not identify yourself with this group?

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I like some people, and I dislike some people, and these are scattered throughout any large groups.
What has any of this to do with likes or dislikes? We are not discussing vague personal preferences here.

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So I am concerned that individuals might be treated badly, but I do not understand arguments about "diminishing the group".
As an analogy:

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It is a well-known fact that scientists say that statistics show that people with blue eye colour are not as good as gardening as other people. Therefore, in today's age, where gardening is such a huge part of everyone's life, people with blue eye colour will no longer be allowed to marry or indeed, have children at all. They will also be required to wear brown contact lenses at all times, to avoid offending normal gardeners.

All existing people with blue eye colour will be required by law to be registered with their local heath authority as disabled by blue eye colour disease. This is very good for them, as they will then qualify for grants to employ a gardening aide.

Hopefully, in the near future, a cure may be found. However, with the above measures, we hope to eliminate the group of people afflicted with this severe disability within one or two generations.

Signed... Lau (third cousin, twice removed, of a person suffering from blue eye colour)
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11 Mar 2008, 9:11 am

Hateration topic

Maybe the termcould be AUTIECIDE: a systematic and deliberate eradication of peoples living on the Autism spectrum through gene selection and prenatal screening. (I added the extra E after the first I.

I know googling of AUTICIDE brings up a translated definition of a biological control of pests (of all things 8O ) but I would imagine that many of the curebies feel AS and Autistics are on the pest continuum. :evil:

The idea is the same: MURDER. 8O


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11 Mar 2008, 10:08 am

You have my vote, satresue.


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11 Mar 2008, 10:09 am

alex wrote:
Pepperfire wrote:
What the project would need is a bankroller... Someone with money who believes in the cause.


How much money?


Well, I would suggest that with lots of manpower, an entire infrastructure and business plan for the program could possibly be put together for $10,000-$50,000, it could probably be done for lots less, but it would take a lot more work.

For $10,000 you could include the legal fees to set up the infrastructure as a non-profit as well as set up everything that would be needed to set up the knowledge base and online magazine.

Of course, I'm pulling those numbers off the top of my head based on setting up a business, (which I've done twice) and on the anticipation that infrastructure costs such as telephone, cable, rent (both physical and internet) etc. would be paid out of add-on donations.

I expect that there would be grants available (but cannot guarantee this) from both North American Governments.

It's not that big a deal, I don't think and there are lots of Autism/Autism related groups out there who are as angry with Autism Speaks as I am from which donations/funding/support could be garnered.

I think it can be done... but I have a business of my own to run, not to mention a family, so I cannot commit much more than a support role to such a project at this time. (My husband would kill me!). But, I am willing to be as supportive as I can if someone else wants to pick up this ball and run with it.

Truth be told... I think it's an idea whose time has come.