Suffocating SN child

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there was this one case in canada, this man killed his severely disabled daughter by carbon monoxide poisoning because she was suffering and didn't have the quality of life.

turns out he didn't want to have such an abomination on the planet and did not want to pay for increased support.

Oh you're just so right, I mean it's just harmless fun. Just like going to an arcade and playing pinball. We as a society should accept this behavior because well, there's just other things out there that are more harmful. It's just, a parent bonding with their child right? Innocent fun for the whole family. It's going to take the place of sitting around the table playing monopoly or risk, it really will.

Was that sarcasm?



It was good sarcasm..

and we're not supposed to understand or appreciate it, my ass!

I'm so glad the one I found is gone now. Poor kid.

You know anything about hypnosis?

Kind of different. Though you might want to do some research before actually screaming from the hills.

They recomend it for atleast 45 sec. to starve the brain of enough oxygen. They also recomend stoping all anti seizure meds saying this will cure them, that alone can kill a person who might have a status siezure from this.
I have used hypnoses before, I know how it works, it has nothing to do with suffocation or blood co2 levels. I have took swimming leasons and I know at no time you are rebreathing your co2. Sure you might be holding your breath, but you are not rebreathing.
I know I was going to get this at one point in this thread. I will post the science behind this below, I am sure I am not going to change your mind, but I would hope you would maybe learn a thing or two about how breathing works and how what they are doing affects the body, and how it can easly kill a person.
I copied this from another site, because I didnt want to type it all out again

Well, to start you have to understand how breathing works, and what co2 does to the body, co2 being the problem. Some of the studies can be fairly complicated, so it is best to have a good understanding about breathing.

Here are a couple links about how breathing works.
http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/301notes6.htm
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Myths-About-Breathing-Oxygen-Versus-Carbon-Dioxide&id=1193209

Here is the definition of rebreathing
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/rebreathing

Here are the affects of breathing co2. remember though, the studies and articles are about healthy individuals, the tolerances go way way down for a person with problems, especially with heart or lung function.
http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/carbon_dioxide/health_cd.html

This is what it is called when you have to much co2 in your blood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia

Here are some of the studies I found on rebreathing. Your child might not have the problems mentioned in these studies, but the information can still be aplied to your situation.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=471456
http://www.mitochondrial.net/showabstract.php?pmid=11510091&redirect=yes&terms=breathing+co2
http://ep.physoc.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/4/465
http://www.springerlink.com/content/h2130231l14262j0/

As I am sure everyone knows, rebreathing co2 and suffocation is the biggest cause of sudden infant death. It was mentioned in this thread about pulling a blanket over your head while laying in bed, and getting the effects of co2. I think most people have done this before. For babys, rebreathing that co2 is one of the biggest causes of death along with suffocation. We know when to pull the blankets back off, so we dont black out from lack of o2, because we can feel the effects of it. Unfortantly if you where to have someone control the blanket for you, the person controling the blanket doesnt know when you have reached your limit or when you are feeling the effects of the co2.

This is another post (below) in response to questions about the above post,

I was talking about rebreathing co2, and the effects it has on the body, that is what is hapening when using 'masking', every link I posted had to do with rebreathing co2 and was very relevant to the topic. You wont find a specific study about masking. But the studies I posted have tons of relevant information about the effects of rebreathing co2. I totally understand the issues you are trying to address, but I was saying by using the method used the danger comes from the rebreathing of co2, and the ability to not be able to get any fresh air. The first 2 breaths use up all the o2, so all the breaths after that are pumping high concentrations of co2 into the blood stream. So after the first couple breaths because the person would only be breathing co2 back into there lungs, you are pretty much suffocating them till they have the ability to get fresh air.
So that is what my links talked about. I am not talking about lung capacity, ect... But the effects of the treatment being used.
So I have apologized and I really don't want to start anything again with offending people.

Last edited by roadracer on 08 Mar 2009, 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I can't believe we are actually debating whether or not it is acceptable to suffocate a child. I would have thought that was a no-brainer.

Yeah, it seems everywhere I go there is atleast one person who dose not understand this, and turns it into a debate. Unfortantly these are the same type of people who would us this on there child, because they lack a understanding of what is going on. Then there are people who know it is wrong, but would say it is okay just to get things fired up. Usually these people cant find any science or studies to support there reasoning

The point is here, he was not doing 45 sec. Separate issue and you are frying the wrong fish here.

http://www.hypnos.info/self/Breathing.htm
He never did it for longer than the slow count to 3.

The science? Please get me something reputable - hell use JSTOR if you need to. At least make it a journal article as opposed random internet websites written by anyone.

Hypnosis like that tends to be done on adults thankfully...

*wonders why*

You should have watched the video properly then, rather than getting it deleted. As I said, we have far bigger fish to fry than a man trying to the best for his (non-spectrum afaik) child, who clearly loves him.

Kangoogle,
Just wondering if you are a supporter of IAHP, the people who thought this treatment up. Sure your going to say no! I have found the people who support them try to turn it off subject like you are doing, well because they actually cant find any science to back up what they say.
The science in the links I posted is common knowledge, you are not going to get any major research going on about this because it is something agreed upon by most any doctors, they would think you where talking BS if you where to say different.
By saying this is hypnoses you are just making yourself look bad. You know this is not why it is being done, the parents doing this will even tell you that.
So untill you can post some science that proves you are right, proving suffocating does not kill, then I will take you serious, and other will probably stop laughing at you.

BTW, this does have to do with spectrum folks, because like I said in a above post, they believe in using this treatment to cure autism, thats what they say on there site, link posted in a above post

You have not found any science backing your side up. IAHP back a random array of things - most out of cluelessness. If you want to fry them by all means go for it, but try not to go after random people on the internet who really are looking after their children.

The kid looks very alive to me. Or are all those other videos a big hoax?

Nero fiddles whilst Rome burns as ever, doesn't he. Actually go after a worthwhile goal for once, rather than just something to fuel your narcissism temporarily.

well, I plan on fighting IAHP from all sides, inorder to make a differnce you would have to do everything you can to chip away at them.

Also, look up narcissism, it means selfishness, only caring about yourself. I think this thread and most of my messages on WP show that I am the total opposite of that. I am fueled by my love for others, when most people don't care about the homeless guy down the street, all I can think of is how I could help him. If you where in trouble, I would try to help you to if you wanted it. The person who spends all his time infront of the TV, and never contributes to society, that person is narcissistic. I think most of my messages are meant to help my fellow man.

Waste of effort, as I said there are bigger fish to fry.

Actually its an inflated sense of self-importance, which you clearly have. Again, you show your cluelessness here.

I am done talking to you, and buy yourself a dictionary

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/narcissism

I didn't watch this video as I have no desire to watch someone committing an assault on someone else.

I gather the video has now been taken down, but has this guy been reported to the police. Is there any way he, or any others who are doing this, can be identified, traced, charged and most importantly - stopped!?