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13 May 2009, 3:25 pm

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When I was pregnant with my eldest child 11 years ago, the psychiatrist put a huge amount of pressure on me to have a 'theraputic termination' and I had to really battle him (and others) to keep her.


That sounds extremely Orwellian. I see you're in the UK, which is a very totalitarian society. "You must abort your child for the good of the Proletariat and the love of Big Brother!" In China forced abortion is very common. I think the UK is headed in that direction, where babies who will not serve the Elite's interests are killed outright.



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14 May 2009, 6:31 am

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That sounds extremely Orwellian. I see you're in the UK, which is a very totalitarian society. "You must abort your child for the good of the Proletariat and the love of Big Brother!" In China forced abortion is very common. I think the UK is headed in that direction, where babies who will not serve the Elite's interests are killed outright.


I have no idea where you got this idea from, but you couldn't be further from the truth. I'm guessing you're one of those people who confuse the UK's socialism with communism. In the US, 90% of down syndrome pregnancies are aborted. In the UK the figure is much closer to 60%. We have a very generous national health service, and put bluntly there is a LOT more help available here than elsewhere.

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Here is a question once asked by Oliver Sacks I think, "What if it turns out that people with Downs Syndrome,
Autism, or some other disorder don't get certain forms of cancer, don't you think we might want to find out
why?"


It's a very good question to ask. If autism is only negatives, why is it so common? (1 in 100). You'd think it would become less and less common, because we're meant to be at such a huge disadvantage in life. The gene's that cause autism are clearly positively selected by natural selection, but can cause problems in certain configurations. A species strength comes from variation, it'll be a sad day when they human race starts homogenising people's dna.



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14 May 2009, 12:57 pm

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I'm guessing you're one of those people who confuse the UK's socialism with communism.


that's the funniest (an ironic, sad laughter) thing I've read in a long time. At what point in history has the UK been anywhere near socialist?
sorry if i've misunderstood you, but that is....well....a complete and utter misdiagnosis of the state of the UK economy and society. we are clearly, without equivocation, a capitalist economy of the most exploitative kind, that is anglo-amercian capitalist. and we are a very totalitarian society. I refer you not only to the stat that we have the highest number of cctv cameras per head of pop but also to the police violence directed toward protest groups at G20, especially the death of Ian Tomlinson, the climate camps and the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes without warning, the war of aggression against the people of Iraq and, finally, the embezzlement of public funds under the sobriquet of 'expenses'.

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15 May 2009, 5:46 pm

As a matter of being humane, in it's extremes the writer is correct, if you suffered from a mental illness that caused you nothing but pain, should you really knowingly make that horrible experience happen again in another person for no greater reason than a want of blood relations?

You can cover your ears and shout "it's my womb/balls/lab kit", and I it's your right to, but if you make a child that lives a life of pain you know who to blame.



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16 May 2009, 2:18 am

based on the idea that the problem lies with the individual, rather than that the pain and suffering of such a condiion can be mitigated by changes in the socities they are born into? in some schools of thought schizophrenia, for example, is a socially constructed condition, as opposed to a biological/biochemical fact (R.D. Laing amongst others



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16 May 2009, 2:27 pm

Don't breed. That makes me laugh. It's so insensitive, it's almost funny, like something Alan Partridge would say.
Hahahahaha.
Everyone has different morals and opinions, I can see his point, but at the end of the day people have the right to breed with whoever they want within law. It is a complex issue not to be taken lightly.



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17 May 2009, 2:21 pm

'but at the end of the day people have the right to breed with whoever they want within law'

mental issues or AS aside, people should stop breeding at the rate they do anyway. people may 'have the right' but in the end it will result in a decimated world due to overpopulation.



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17 May 2009, 2:50 pm

beastinblack wrote:
'but at the end of the day people have the right to breed with whoever they want within law'

mental issues or AS aside, people should stop breeding at the rate they do anyway. people may 'have the right' but in the end it will result in a decimated world due to overpopulation.
Didn't think about that.
Maybe we should follow China's example?



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17 May 2009, 3:35 pm

AJCoyne wrote:
beastinblack wrote:
'but at the end of the day people have the right to breed with whoever they want within law'

mental issues or AS aside, people should stop breeding at the rate they do anyway. people may 'have the right' but in the end it will result in a decimated world due to overpopulation.
Didn't think about that.
Maybe we should follow China's example?

Don't breed, Henriksson urges everyone. :P


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06 Jun 2009, 6:56 pm

To the author of the article: I say this to you,f**k YOU, I won't do what you tell me!

Yeah, I lifted that last part from one of my favorite RATM songs "Killing in the Name of". It's a concise phrase that pretty much sums up all of my anger towards the author of the article.



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07 Jun 2009, 7:22 am

I like the comment someone made about how if you had cancer or if it ran in your famiy, you shouldn't not be able to have a child because it might get cancer. Same with ASD's.

I wouldn't mind having an autistic child, but my BF says it wouldn't be fair to put the child through the same sort of hell we have been through. I agree.


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10 Jun 2009, 8:32 pm

When it came to suicide, the remark about 'tying a noose' surely indicated a lack of empathy on the part of the student who wrote the article, which could have provoked lots of anger and even the wish to stay alive to protect others.

We must acknowledge that mental illness can pose problems of unbearable suffering, and although suicide may ultimately be a solution (see my thread on voluntary euthanasia in the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion forum), simply telling sufferers to hang themselves reveals the possibility of a careless and threatening personality of the writer.


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12 Jun 2009, 2:00 am

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deborah you’re a slut. go suck a dick


A response from the comment section I loled at-short and to the point. Hey anyone want to pull dox on her? :P


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12 Jun 2009, 2:13 am

richie wrote:
[ when was the last
time you saw a Spartan or a Roman?"


When I was on the bus heading back into the city from class in the suburbs 2 days ago. One of the suburbs-which is a decent community with good amenities, parks and all and shops on a main street, grid pattern, etc had chairs on one of the main street that go through it (it also carries 2 US routes and it a 6-lane street.). People put up chairs & stuff with stuff like "SPARTAN Pride" and whatnot for their high school term. And if you don't count that. The last time I want through my *chan pictures and watching Meet the Spartans.

Henriksson wrote:
AJCoyne wrote:
beastinblack wrote:
'but at the end of the day people have the right to breed with whoever they want within law'

mental issues or AS aside, people should stop breeding at the rate they do anyway. people may 'have the right' but in the end it will result in a decimated world due to overpopulation.
Didn't think about that.
Maybe we should follow China's example?

Don't breed, Henriksson urges everyone. :P


The Western World has a problem with population DECLINE.


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12 Jun 2009, 11:51 pm

To original poster: I'd like himmeet my two freinds (pulls out fists one at time) screw and you :lol: :P


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12 Jun 2009, 11:55 pm

I like this the best,

One said: "Oh give Deborah a break. People with NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) have just as much right to speak out as anyone else. They can't help themselves."


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