I AM CONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH AUTISM SPEAKS
i think both A.S and asan are a bit crooked.yes it is a good point that every bashes autism speaks and they havent taken action.hwever im not sure what action they could actualy take for online political decent.im not sure if ive seen actual slander against them.
_________________
Forever gone
Sorry I ever joined
The T-shirt censorship accusastion still circulates widely on the internet, which states they tried to censor someone when they didn't. If they were concerned about it, they could take action, but apparently they know it is of little to no impact on their mission.
The cease and desist letter against the young girl on the website, was considered by their lawyers to be a legal requirement to protect their trademark, as Inventor explained.
If people get on the autism speaks facebook page, and say something offensive towards others that visit that facebook discussion site, the comment can be removed by moderators, just like they can be on anyone else's discussion board there that is seen as offensive.
There have been many untruths stated about the organization without evidence, that potentially could be seen as defamation against the organization, on discussion boards that autism speaks does not have control over, but apparently the organization, doesn't feel it meets a level of concern, for any type of action against the individuals making the statements. I doubt anyone that works there has any time to pay attention to minor stuff like that.
I wouldn't call either AFF or Autism Speaks corrupt, there is no evidence that either organization has done anything beyond their legal rights. There are people associated with both organizations that have done things I personally don't agree with, but I don't see it as corruption, just a different way of seeing things, that potentially can be improved through the effort of constructive criticism.
ASAN is not affiliated in any way with AFF. Please leave us out of this mess.
ASAN is not affiliated in any way with AFF. Please leave us out of this mess.
Thanks for that clarification, some could be confusing the two as part of the same thing. My understanding is that AFF does support the advocacy efforts of ASAN, some from the site have come here and suggested that Autism Speaks should dissolve as an organization and give the money funded through autism speaks to ASAN, but those are personal opinions, not that of the individuals that own the site as far as I am aware of.
ASAN was not part of this at all, but now that autism speaks has presented an official statement that they are not funding research into a prenatal test, it will be interesting to see if the eugenics language in association to Autism Speaks, is removed from ASAN's PR effort as well, in the future.
I imagine if it's not, someone will bring it to the attention of the organization.
Without the support of autism speaks into research for a prenatal test, that ethical concern still exists, throughout the other organizations that still are pursuing a prenatal test, worldwide. I dont see any problem at all with ASAN continuing their efforts of letting their ethical concerns be known.
A research organization in Australia is currently doing cutting edge research to screen for autism prenatally. These are the real areas of concern for those that have ethical concerns about a potential prenatal test.
ASAN is not affiliated in any way with AFF. Please leave us out of this mess.
_________________
Forever gone
Sorry I ever joined
ASAN is not affiliated in any way with AFF. Please leave us out of this mess.
_________________
Forever gone
Sorry I ever joined
The guy writing this blog has diverse views like all of us; he has some interesting observations that seem to ring true to some of the issues related to the interview, along with the stuff that was going on with facebook and the international autism blacklist that was mentioned in another thread:
http://thewildeman2.blogspot.com/2011/10/autism-and-fractured-communities.html
On every autism group website I have visited I see a claim of community. We claim to be a community coming together or already there. The truth is, autism is the one medical condition that has more dissension and diversity amongst the members of it's community above any other. Allow me to explain that.
Anti-vaxxers, curebies, ND's(Neurodiversity), SA's (Self Advocacy), and even "Autism traitors" are labels we pass out indiscriminately amongst ourselves. At the same time, we adamantly shout not to label us. Along with those labels are heaping helpings of hatred and insults. One side or group is constantly bashing away at another for some perceived insult to their very existence. For one "group" that I haven't seen a label for, may as well give them one and call them "Parent Haters" or PH's. This group is more adversarial towards parents of autistic children with accusations that they are only trying to "cure" their children for their own selfish needs (and destroy who those children really are in the process). Then there's hatred to NT's (neuro-typical people) that is just as bad. With all this internal segregation, let me ask you something;
How can we expect to ever be taken seriously? I have searched other medical conditions for this phenomenon. I searched bipolar disorder and multiple sclerosis, for example. I searched cancer and physical disabilities too. Autism is the only medical condition that acts more like some kind of deranged politics mixed with religious standings. It's putting people at each others throats. Believe it or not, I actually have a theory or two as to why this is happening.
It really comes down to two things:
1) The fact that autism affects each person and family differently.
combined with
2) The inherent social blindness of autistic conditions.
For example, here is a quote from a PH: "I don't need a cure or treatment, so why should anyone else?"
It's well documented that people with these disorders (and this is why it's seen as a disorder) miss how other people are affected by various issues (including autism). There is a natural tendency to expect sameness in a personal view within everyone else. It's like we forget that, just because we see the world in a certain way, we aren't like everyone else. We forget that everyone sees things in their own way. This is especially destructive in autism as I listed above.
Autistics who don't believe they need treatment or cure, automatically assume that no autistic needs treatment or "cure". And I say "cure" very loosely because there isn't one. The same can be said for those who dislike diversity or advocacy. They lose sight of the fact that everyone is different and has different needs. Not everyone has the same intensity of those needs either.
Another example is the eruption of internet flame wars where the slightest difference in base opinion becomes an accusation of being the Anti-Christ and gets accused of criminal bullying on all sides. This erupts in waves of inappropriate behavior to include creating "blacklists", negative blogs, and even direct angry emails. And while all sides shout "bullying", none of them stop. Yes, I realize flame wars are part of any internet meme and I've seen them. I just hadn't ever seen them at this degree before. It's about as volatile as high scale nitro glycerin, and most of the opinions aren't even meant to be insulting, or could just be ignored.
A lot of the internet wars happen because of high sensitivities in all parties. Those same sensitivities are very common in autism.
We need to stop and remember that there is more than one way to be affected by autism. The more we persecute parents over their children (none of anyone's business by the way), people over advocacy, diversity, or wanting disability rights, the worse we all look as a result. None of these beliefs are facist, racist, traitorous, or out to destroy us all. None of them are criminal or wrong.
Someone wants a cure? Let them. No one can force it on you. No one can make you get an abortion either.
Someone wants help for their child? Let them, it's none of your business. And if you are a parent, try worrying about your own kids.
Someone says "neuro-diversity"? Let them. It actually has helped some people and that's a good thing. You don't want it, you don't have to have it or subscribe to it.
We need to stop assuming we know what everyone else should have or do. You know how we hate words like "ret*d"? How about "crazy"? Well, I have talked to people who have seen all the behaviors above and they can't see is as anything but "immature" and "crazy" too.
If you want to represent something, make it something helpful, not hateful.
ASAN is not affiliated in any way with AFF. Please leave us out of this mess.
You didn't, I think she wanted to make sure everyone understood that ASAN had nothing to do with the interview, in case people might get the idea, because the name of the organization was brought up.
ASAN is not affiliated in any way with AFF. Please leave us out of this mess.
You didn't, I think she wanted to make sure everyone understood that ASAN had nothing to do with the interview, in case people might get the idea, because the name of the organization was brought up.
_________________
Forever gone
Sorry I ever joined
I really dislike the blogger's implications about autistic "social blindness." You can't have a conversation with someone who writes off your opinions as simply a system of autism (or anything else). You just can't. Respectful and honest debate focuses on the issues themselves. To me, this is a version of an ad hominem attack.
Social blindness and rigid thinking is related to conditions of autism. The way I read this is he is suggesting that we respect that others see the world in a completely different manner than us, because of their life experiences, that gives merit to their way of thinking we might not see. The not being able to see the merits of someone elses opinion or way of thinking is part of social blindness and rigid thinking.
An example is the fact that some autistic people along with their families and friends would like to see a cure for the more disabling aspects of their condition; autism speaks proposes to find treatments for those disabling aspects such as gastrointestinal illnesses, and some will not even bend as far as understanding that this is a really serious problem that others with autism suffer that must be adressed.
In effect this makes the research that Autism Speaks does vital to these individuals, but some won't even acknowledge this, would love to see autism speaks destroyed, research ended, and the money turned over to another organization for completely different purposes.
That's differerent than presenting rational criticisms of the organization. That example is not a issue on this website like it is on others.
The blogger is not suggesting that anyone write off autistic opinions, he his suggesting that we understand that autism influences our view of the world and we adjust accordingly for civil discourse, in accepting that just because others view the world differently than us, it doesn't make them bad or evil people, particularly when it is autistic opinion vs. autistic opinion.
The interactions that occured because of the autism speaks interview and the recent facebook incident with the black list magnifies this issue, and has allowed some among us to admit it is an area that can be improved within the autistic community. Apparently the autistic blogger that wrote the blog is seeing this, in relationship to some conflicts, and is trying to provide an understanding of what underlies some of the conflicts.
It's blunt criticism, but he's looking from the outside in, sees it and would like others to be aware of it, for positive change. Beyond that he is autistic too, so whatever issues, specific to autism he is bringing up are issues he may be influenced by as well.
Me too, so I respect that you are seeing the blog in a different way than I am, and can agree to disagree with you.
Ahogday, how did you get to be so mature? I have to work REALLY hard to think that way.
_________________
You may know me from my column here on WrongPlanet. I'm also writing a book for AAPC. Visit my Facebook page for links to articles I've written for Autism Speaks and other websites.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/JohnScott ... 8723228267
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
job interview: utility worker |
12 Jun 2025, 6:49 pm |
Job interview: receptionist/ accounting clerk |
03 Jul 2025, 4:47 pm |
teen who was shot speaks after case dismissed |
05 Jun 2025, 7:54 pm |
Having Autism |
26 Apr 2025, 6:00 am |