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22 Aug 2009, 11:48 pm

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You can get a button if you want, but I might also suggest a badge (plastic card), with a clip instead of a pin. The badge can be worn, added to a lanyard or remove the clip and carry it in his wallet.


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23 Aug 2009, 12:19 am

Wow thats just what I need for jake thanks so much :).



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23 Aug 2009, 12:21 am

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Okay, but the ASA ribbon has a lot of puzzle pieces interlocking. Your button had two pieces by themselves, which is more like the Autism Speaks symbol - a single puzzle piece.
I'm not trying to argue with you or make you angry. I'm just trying to tell you how autistics might react/think/feel to/about the button.


My daughter was diagnosed in 1995, soon after that we tried to learn what we could, joined several groups and jumped on the yearly miracle cures that popped up. At some point I started making buttons and offering items to help raise awareness, meet people and try to make a difference in the only way I knew how…now 13 years later my website offers more then 560 awareness buttons, not including custom orders…

Starting as early as button number B007 (the 7th button offered many many years ago) it displayed 3 single puzzle pieces…as did many of the awareness items offered by other parents, supporters and believers of the time (and still today)

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Autism Speaks has only been around since 2005 I feel it would be a shame to have one organization over shadow the good work of others.

I’m not trying to argue or get anyone upset at me…I feel

The puzzle piece when displayed in the proper fashion has always represented autism and only represents a cause not an origination…

The puzzle piece when displayed in the proper fashion has always represented autism and only represents a cause not an origination…

I don't say this because of me and anything I've done or do now...changing the artwork is easy. But the work done by others now and in the years past should be recognized for what it is. And the logo of one organization should not diminish the perception of work done by others…(long winded, sorry)



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23 Aug 2009, 5:47 am

That's a good point. You convinced me. :D 8)
I never knew the puzzle piece was used (and is still being used) as a positive thing before Autism Speaks used it. Thanks for sharing that info.

Hopefully the puzzle piece will go back to being positive...without Autism Speaks to mess it up. By that I mean that maybe one day no one will remember that Autism Speaks used that symbol.

Is there a website with your buttons?
Edit: Never mind I found it. I laughed at the "I have Asperger's. What's your excuse?" Button.
I smiled at the Asperger buttons with puppies.

Thank you for what you are doing for the autistic community.



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23 Aug 2009, 6:22 am

I am writing a book that has a rather unique cover image. It is somewhat humorous. If you wanted it you could email me. then use it after the book is published.

I am about 150 pages into the book and it should be around 200 pages.


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23 Aug 2009, 12:18 pm

Sarafina7 wrote:
That's a good point. You convinced me. :D 8)
I never knew the puzzle piece was used (and is still being used) as a positive thing before Autism Speaks used it. Thanks for sharing that info.

Hopefully the puzzle piece will go back to being positive...without Autism Speaks to mess it up. By that I mean that maybe one day no one will remember that Autism Speaks used that symbol.

Is there a website with your buttons?
Edit: Never mind I found it. I laughed at the "I have Asperger's. What's your excuse?" Button.
I smiled at the Asperger buttons with puppies.

Thank you for what you are doing for the autistic community.



Thank you for your kind words...

The Blue Puzzle piece (that shapes that color when used to represent autism) is a company logo.
Every other puzzle piece or pieces in different shapes different colors can be used to represent autism and send any message you want.

Such as I’m Autistic, I can Speak for Myself

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I would just caution that not everyone in the spectrum is self-sufficient and need services, so unless you are willing to take on that reasonability, a person may not want to state that they speak for everyone.


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24 Aug 2009, 1:05 am

The following two buttons were made for someone who (working very hard) felt (I think) they had proven themselves to the world.

Overcame Autism - facing the challenges one day at a time

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Autism Overcoming the challenges one day at a time

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I don’t remember what one was picked at the end, both have similar meaning...yet can be looked at very differently at the same time.


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24 Aug 2009, 2:21 am

I think the puzzle piece implies this:

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Do we not fit? Are we still some sort of impossible puzzle? Or is it that we're actually missing bits?


and I do not like it, regardless of what organization it is or isn't associated with.

I suggests designs without it. And designs that say, "Autistic person" rather than "Person with autism."

But there's no particular reason to listen to me. I will not wear such a button. I wear a blank white one sometimes.



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24 Aug 2009, 8:55 am

"Autism Acceptance! Accept me as I am!" with no puzzle piece.

"Don't mess with our wonderful brains! Accept us as we are"

"I am not a jigsaw, I'm a free man."

"Let kids be kids! Proudly autistic!"

"I have a name, and it is not Rain Man."

"Think Autism...Think Acceptance!"

"Acceptance is the best cure!"

For the punks, Mods and hippies:

"My favourite time and place was a lot safer than this area is, nowadays."


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24 Aug 2009, 5:59 pm

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I do not like it, regardless of what organization it is or isn't associated with.

I suggests designs without it. And designs that say, "Autistic person" rather than "Person with autism."



For what saying...I looked back but could not figure it out? I understand the puzzle design, you don't like it anywhere...but what saying?

"Autistic person may not respond to verbal commands" or was it a different one?


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24 Aug 2009, 6:06 pm

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But there's no particular reason to listen to me. I will not wear such a button. I wear a blank white one sometimes.


OK, so what if people do listen to you, what message is the blank message sening? is it positive? Are you saying it takes more then a button to make a differance?

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24 Aug 2009, 6:44 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
"Autism Acceptance! Accept me as I am!" with no puzzle piece."


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24 Aug 2009, 7:14 pm

SarasDad wrote:
For what saying...I looked back but could not figure it out? I understand the puzzle design, you don't like it anywhere...but what saying?

"Autistic person may not respond to verbal commands" or was it a different one?


I mean that anywhere it says "Person with Autism" you may wish to offer alternative phrasing "Autistic person." Many people prefer the latter, because they feel the former implies that the autism can be removed from the person when in fact autism is integral to ones personhood if one is autistic.

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OK, so what if people do listen to you, what message is the blank message sening? is it positive? Are you saying it takes more then a button to make a differance?


Hm? The blank button isn't sending a message. It's blank. When people ask me what it means I sometimes just shrug and sometimes I say, "Put your own corporate logo on it. In your mind." I just meant that there's no real reason to take my advice about buttons, because I am not a customer for buttons. Though if you want to make me a new blank white one, I might buy it. I'd like to have one I could write on with markers and then wipe clear again later.



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24 Aug 2009, 7:30 pm

I just got back from camping for four days with a couple of friends, and we talked a lot about Asperger's, and I had a little revelation about another meaning of the puzzle image.

I realized that all the casual random asides I made had a point to them, and that they eventually fit together as a complete picture, because that's how they are in my head. My NT friends treated each discussion separately and didn't fit the pieces together. Toward the end I talked with them about the pattern but they didn't understand the concept of how it could all fit together.

So I thought the complete puzzle, not one with missing pieces, is an accurate representation of a distinctly aspie thinking pattern.


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24 Aug 2009, 8:46 pm

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I just meant that there's no real reason to take my advice about buttons, because I am not a customer for buttons.


The reason why I ask for your advice, is because I'm trying to do the right thing for my daughter (who can't easily communicate with me) and maybe at the same time benefit others.

If we could all just let our guards down and talk about the messages that we wish others would hear. It could be a really cool. I will also let you know that selling you a button is not going to change my life. But maybe by you sending a clear defining positive message to people around you, it might change yours.

(And I don’t mean with a button, send your message however it works for you…but in a positive way.


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24 Aug 2009, 8:57 pm

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So I thought the complete puzzle, not one with missing pieces, is an accurate representation of a distinctly aspie thinking pattern.


thank you for the post...nice would it be Colored or Black & White...if it was going to say something, what would it say?

something like..."There is no missing pieces...Just Autism"

Long night...I'll need to think about...or send a suggestion


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