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StuartN
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01 Nov 2010, 4:20 am

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But the man didn't have drawings of them. He had real images of them.

i know that. we just kinda got off topic debating the legality (or illegality) of hand-drawn images. :D
i don't really know who this guy is, but if he's a pedophile, then he needs to get help.. :?
i hope they don't try to pin his disease on his AS, though... we have a bad enough rep as it is :x


Yes, they were photographs of real children having sex with adults, so the nature of the images is very clear cut. I really do not know if adults who collect and use such images are paedophiles, or are a risk to children. There seems to be very little research on the many (hundreds of) thousands of people arrested in the Wonderland, Amethyst and other cases, to examine the relationship between using child sex abuse images and committing child sex abuse offences. I do think that anyone using the imagery is contributing to abuse, and I would put caution before compassion and prevent access to children.

Nicky, I don't think there is off-topic on the Wrong Planet! Photographic images are very compelling and most cases that I can think of where artists perceived a legal threat, or were legally threatened, involved photographs. Artistic conflict with the law has a long history, and I don't think the new child pornography acts have made much difference - most defences against child pornography prosecutions are technical, relate to evidence collection or issues like proving liability. The simulated image cases that I have seen (sticking the children's heads from a clothing catalogue on the lingerie models, or extreme animé) were so clearly intended for sexual stimulation that an artistic defence would be laughable. At the opposite extreme, it would be hard to assume a sexual motive for the bathroom cherubs (I have two in bronze), although they might be illegal in Saudi Arabia or even Malaysia. I know Germaine Greer was called a paedophile for The Beautiful Boy (again mostly photographs), but I don't think any country prosecuted.

I would be interested in any cases where an artist has been prosecuted or threatened under child pornography legislation for imagery other than photographs.



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04 Nov 2010, 5:48 pm

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04 Nov 2010, 6:34 pm

skogkatta wrote:
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This blog only shows the picture of a rooster?
a cock? haha. 8O :pig:


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18 Feb 2012, 12:23 am

I just now finished reading a book by Nick Dubin, "Asperger Syndrome & Anxiety" and thought it was beautifully written and very helpful.

I googled his name, wanting to drop him a line telling him so, and - low and behold - I find a link to this thread (4 pages, no less) discussing a porno charge.

None of the links on page one are working, and I found no legitimate news articles about this either. Can anyone prove that this is actually a true accusation about this man?



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18 Feb 2012, 6:38 am

I couldn't find anything more recent than http://psychrapereporter.wordpress.com/ ... rnography/



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18 Feb 2012, 8:17 am

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None of the links on page one are working, and I found no legitimate news articles about this either. Can anyone prove that this is actually a true accusation about this man?


"Updated criminal report of Dr. Dubin's charges" http://www.examiner.com/autism-parentin ... nline-porn



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18 Feb 2012, 11:06 am

Oh. It does *appear* to be a legitimate charge.

Personally, I am disgusted by all forms of porno and I feel that the subjects/models/actors used in porn are ultimately victims of abuse.

Why some people want look at it is a mystery to me. Perhaps it is a manifestation of the "Shadow Self" that Mr. Dubin talks about in his book?

From reading this one book, I gathered he is a sensitive insightful person and is very good at taking an issue, dissecting it to the core, and presenting sound advise for problem-solving.
I don't find it odd at all that, just because he can help others, he may have a blind spot when it comes to solving his own problems. I don't agree with everything in his book, but there is a lot of truth to it.

How many of you find it much easier to give advice to others than it is to apply it to your own life? I know I do.

I've been a member here for a short time and I personally don't know any Aspies, besides myself, but from the majority of the posts I've read here, most of you have poor judgement when it comes to what is acceptable in our society.
We are all just trying to "fit in", NT and Aspie alike, and when someone makes an error in judgement, we are all very quick to pass judgement upon them.

No one is perfect. No one is right all the time. But I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due and Nick Dubin appears to have a clear understanding of problems that face Aspies and he has an uncanny ability to present them, and offer solutions, in an easily digestible way.

To the person who said the book was helpful, but now she is going to throw it out, I say, Why throw out the baby with the bathwater?

Do you hate Bill Clinton because he got caught?
What about Whitney Houston, Mel Gibson, Michael Jackson, Elvis, Marilin Monroe, John Candy, John Belushi? Do you throw away all the good they did just because they made bad judgement calls?

I'm not defending what he did that is deemed bad by our society, but I am defending the good in him.
For people who have a harder time than most deciding what is socially acceptable, I think we should also be more understanding of those who trip up.

I'm not a religious person, but have you ever heard of this one: "There but for the grace of god go I"?



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18 Feb 2012, 5:30 pm

Thats really decent of you MissQ, you have a good heart for understanding



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18 Feb 2012, 6:14 pm

It seems like he used this diagnosis to his advantage.
There are also contradictions with when he was diagnosed.

Allegedly, Nick Dubin was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome by a neuropsychologist in 2004 at age 27.

However, according to the House Health Policy Committee, Nick Dubin claimed on June 2, 2009 that he was diagnosed and treated for Autism as a child and the treatment was so successful he is now an author.

But according to the calendar of events published by the Baldwin Public Library in Birmingham (MI) where Nick Dubin grew up, he was self-diagnosed in 2005 and he “produced a short film detailing his journey of self-discovery.”

There seems to be discrepancies and contradictions with regards to when Dubin was diagnosed and whether the diagnosis was by a licensed and accredited medical practitioner with knowledge of Autism Spectrum Disorders or if it was by Nick Dubin, years before he attained his doctorate degree in 2010.


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I would not be surprised if this man was not really an aspie but studied it to pretend to be an aspie just so he could use it for his means.

People who have several standings in a community, several degrees sound off alarms for shady. Think about all the psychopaths who do the same exact thing. It's usually to cover something up.



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18 Feb 2012, 9:28 pm

a lot of people take advantage of autistic kids. its a fact.



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18 Feb 2012, 10:56 pm

StuartN wrote:
MissQ wrote:
None of the links on page one are working, and I found no legitimate news articles about this either. Can anyone prove that this is actually a true accusation about this man?


"Updated criminal report of Dr. Dubin's charges" http://www.examiner.com/autism-parentin ... nline-porn


That updated criminal report, is a page not found. So whats happened since the charges were laid?

Being set up for kiddy porn is not new, he may be not guilty for all we know........



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18 Feb 2012, 10:58 pm

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I don't think viewing free childhood pornography is that awful of a crime, but the representation and associations with it are awful. I hate how Asperger's Syndrome might be further associated with such crimes and behaviour in the media.

I'm not familiar with Dr. Dubin however, so I assume he isn't all that well-known which is a plus.


In the US, it is considered HORRIFIC! You could end up in jail, and the inmates are often more likely to attack you.



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19 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm

Surfman wrote:
StuartN wrote:
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None of the links on page one are working, and I found no legitimate news articles about this either. Can anyone prove that this is actually a true accusation about this man?


"Updated criminal report of Dr. Dubin's charges" http://www.examiner.com/autism-parentin ... nline-porn


That updated criminal report, is a page not found. So whats happened since the charges were laid?

Being set up for kiddy porn is not new, he may be not guilty for all we know........


This is entirely possible.
I have not seen one reliable source with accurate info on this.
Do you know who writes the articles for the Examiner? I DO, that's who. All you have to do is register with the web site, post a profile, and suddenly you're an expert writer for the Examiner.

Who do you think writes the articles for Angie's List? People who pay them to write the articles.

Who do you think writes the text for web sites? ME - even though I may know absolutely nothing about the subject matter. If I can make it sound good, make good use of SEO, and my spelling and grammar are passable, that's all that matters.

Who do you think writes profiles for dating web sites? I DO... or, at least I wrote one. It was for a web site based in Romania and all I had to do was make up a flattering bio of some girl.

I can't count all the forum topic conversations/arguments that went on and on about something that is based purely on speculation. Bait is what I call it. There are actually people who are paid to post inflammatory topics just to help boost traffic to a web site.

I still don't know if the charges are true, or not, but my opinion of Nicks book remains the same: It is very good.



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19 Feb 2012, 1:22 pm

MissQ wrote:
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That updated criminal report, is a page not found. So whats happened since the charges were laid?

I have not seen one reliable source with accurate info on this.


You are both correct - I found and posted a link to what looked to me like a more recent story, and I did not follow any of the links within it. As far as I can see, having explored further, all the remaining pages come from blog sites and none from news sites.

Some have the outward appearance of a credible news site (e.g. http://psychrapereporter.wordpress.com/ ... rnography/) and some of the dead links (eg from http://article.wn.com/view/2010/10/15/P ... Porn_Case/) are to sites like MSNBC, but these are not available in archive.org

I would be very interested in what is going on.



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19 Feb 2012, 3:00 pm

One report stated he said that he knew what he was doing was illegal. Considering the lack of coverage or deleted articles, it does seem fishy though.