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aspie pride
i am proud to have it!! !! 75%  75%  [ 57 ]
i hate it so much!! !! !! 25%  25%  [ 19 ]
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20 Feb 2011, 2:44 pm

Then so be it---I am happy with my life.


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20 Feb 2011, 2:49 pm

Good. So am I. No matter how much my self-esteem is attacked for being me I have disabilities. Others can bully others all they want as it is a right. However I am what is called hard headed with the facts.


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20 Feb 2011, 2:59 pm

Digsy wrote:
Neither pride nor shame, just curiosity.
I am currently proud to be an emu egg though.


Hi Digsy---I saw you on the thread in face analyzing. Welcome to the WrongPlanet. Like you, when I joined here in 2008 I went through a period of curiosity as I came to understand myself. How long have you been diagnosed? Through your curiosity you may unlock many hidden treasures within yourself as your journey in life progresses.


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20 Feb 2011, 3:04 pm

Everyone no matter label has their positive and negatives. I don't often think about and would recommend to others to not often think about the negatives. Focusing on negatives can create depression and reduce positive outcomes. The idea of a diagnostic label being the center of ones identity and positive or negativity in self-view I do not think is wise.


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20 Feb 2011, 3:08 pm

ci wrote:
Everyone no matter label has their positive and negatives. I don't often think about and would recommend to others to not often think about the negatives. Focusing on negatives can create depression and reduce positive outcomes. The idea of a diagnostic label being the center of ones identity and positive or negativity in self-view I do not think is wise.


Yes, I agree with that.

Have we actually been debating on the same side of the fence? Maybe it's just our philosophy of the side we are on?

Forgive me recently because I am on medication for severe allergies and I am not reading things well this weekend.

Please tell me---I often take things the wrong way.


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20 Feb 2011, 3:12 pm

I begin by studying the frameworks of projected thought. To take something personally or to feel a concept emotionally is bias. I will be releasing papers on this sort of thing. They will be quite extensive and take readers step by step in presentation format online for free.

I do not think I have a fence or side. I like being independent and not part of a collective thought pattern. I like outlining what collective trend based thought patterns are. I want to know facts and possibilities.


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20 Feb 2011, 3:53 pm

I wouldn't say I'm proud, nor am I ashamed, Asperger's is part of who I am, as I was born this way.



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20 Feb 2011, 7:20 pm

I always like to reiterate the definition of pride as I view it. This is taken from Wikipedia from the article entitled Pride.

In psychological terms, Pride is "a pleasant, sometimes exhilarating, emotion that results from a positive self-evaluation".[10] It was added by Tracy et al. to the University of California, Davis, Set of Emotion Expressions (UCDSEE) in 2009, as one the three “self-conscious” emotions known to have recognizable expressions (along with embarrassment and shame) [11]

In referencing ourselves we can choose to look at this. Are you ashamed of who you are? I am not. Are you embarrassed of who you are? I am not. Do you have a positive self-evaluation of yourself? I do (although I realize we always have room for improvement). With a general positive self-evaluation we have pride according to this definition.

There is often debate that one should not be proud of something they were born with. But the way I view it, I was born with Asperger's, and I have utilized the gifts it has given to me to do things I am pleased with (positive self-evaluation). Therefore I can say I am proud to have Asperger's. I am also pleased to be amongst the group of people on this earth with Asperger's.


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20 Feb 2011, 7:29 pm

That definition of pride does not explain the manifestations within a complex psychosocial-political framework. Moreover any emotion can be good or understood in the subjective sense as normal and healthy. However emotion can be misplaced such as happiness when someone dies, being proud when another fails and so on. Let's find a few examples of when being proud is bad and when proud is good. I will make two up now.

1. I have pride with who I am and refuse to see my faults and do not feel I need social services because I believe in positivity only. That would result in isolation like before and I do not seek nor desire friends. However this in balance in my day to day life is I do not think about how I was born, accept that I have a disability, don't often think about negatives as I am that I am and receive help that gets me out in the community and am more social then before.

2. I am proud of myself and believe I can accomplish what I might not be able to before. People say I have a horrible disability called autism and at times when they hear about it they seem sad. This makes me think about how I am as a person and do not often think of it otherwise. Being positive regardless of pride or not helps to overcome barriers.

Pride can help a person to accomplish despite difficulty but universally it as a framework of emotion can lead to false fact and conflict as proven to manifest at times. Autism Pride has been used for rather harsh, rude and destructive advocacy confrontations. Now pride by nature is less likely to see fault in itself and some would say pride can lead to or can manifest arrogance more often.


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20 Feb 2011, 7:38 pm

Sorry ci, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I simply speak my opinion and I am leaving it at that. I am not reading anything else from you debating my beliefs. I offer my thoughts to members who want to read them. Members don't have to accept them. And that's fine. But I will continue to speak my opinions.


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20 Feb 2011, 7:46 pm

If you want to express your opinion that is relevant to a framework of idea that preexist in political ways and is used for confrontation against organizations it is subject to external relevancy. Pride like many other emotions is a spectrum. Pride as a concept with concern to autism is a known and established political ideology. For me personally because of the abuses politically I'll have nothing to do with pride politics but use a different word or sets of words.

When it comes down to it pride is an idea of self-acceptance. Once pride attempts to dictate to others how autism as a whole should be viewed it seems to be political. Once someone believes autism should be viewed in how a certain group and or individual views autism it is political. Pride to can be indifferent and self-serving simply for the emotional needs of pride that has a psychosocial and political framework that is quite obvious in autism politics.

It comes down to ethics and we got self-esteem vs. a label idea "autism" that was formulated as a result of compassion to help others. Remember arrogance does not want fact. A symptom of pride can be arrogance at times. Blindly indifferent to the societal manifestions as a result of being to proud to know how it's own actions effect others. A good self-esteem is great but when pride goes to far you can count on me and others getting in the way of it.


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02 Mar 2011, 7:14 pm

Perhaps pride is the wrong word, but aperger generally come served with a generous amount of ego.
I for example generally see myself as a more "advanced" human being with a higher level of thinking xD



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03 Mar 2011, 2:01 am

I'm not proud of my AS, but I don't hate it either. It is just who I'm, period.



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04 Mar 2011, 8:14 pm

I can't vote..., but... I did figure out how to see the results without having to either vote or log out. Copy the URL and open it in my other browser. Internet Explorer is good for something. ;) (Because I'm not logged in on that browser, and can thus see results of polls I haven't voted in.)

Being different... sometimes, yeah, I'm proud of it. And sometimes I hate it. It's got it's pluses and minuses.


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06 Mar 2011, 3:54 pm

I don't think either apply. But I also want to vote for both. And that's the Aspie contradiction that plagues me. I see "shame" as the Shutdown side of the spectrum, and "pride" as the Meltdown side. Pride is not positive to me, it's overcompensating in the self as a reaction to the "shame" of being different. I suggest adding a middle option to the poll. It can be labeled "I just accept myself" or "I see past myself." In my opinion, it's the concept of seeing through or past myself (in the rare instances when I'm able to) is the gateway to making lateral connections with the world.



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18 Apr 2011, 12:04 pm

Shame. Everything I do fills me up with shame, because I immediatelty know afterwards how embarrassing or wrong I have just been.

If you like being unique, fair enough. If you don't like being unique and thinks Autism was thought of by demons instead of a god then life is very buggered for you. (It is for me).

Why the f**k does Autism exist if humans are supposed to be SOCIAL CREATURES?! How can you live in a world full of misunderstanding NTs who are socialising all around you and are leaving you ''behind''? It's f*****g hell!

When I see a pregnant woman I glare at the tummy and think, ''I bet that feteos is growing a NEUROTYPICAL brain, unlike my f****d up piece of s**t!! !!''


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