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21 Jul 2011, 2:53 pm

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Sounds like the most tolerant and prejudice free person on the face of the Earth. (Sarcastic)


You accused me of using hate speech. I want an apology.



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21 Jul 2011, 2:57 pm

Well to this point I've been hopeful you would just correct yourself. However in how you used the words was hatred. You don't deserve an apology and frankly I don't think advocates that hold any promise in getting their goals accomplished should associate with individuals of alike speaking. I would still suggest to others just so you do you know to be open minded to individuals changing how they think and becoming more tolerant and thus mutually beneficial to themselves and others as they advocate and not so much a risk anymore. People change.


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21 Jul 2011, 3:12 pm

ci wrote:
However in how you used the words was hatred


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You see ci, there are people that hate us. I was saying that if he sets up such a company it would only serve as a reason for them to highlight this and draw the support of more people against people like us and with good reason. I then said that if he really wants to create a company then I hope he would do it in an environment where only we exist for then he wouldn't be actually discriminating


I am not going to respond to these messages anymore. I hope you understand that your obsessive compulsion to always look right by hiding behind flimsy arguments is harming your credibility. I actually enjoy your ideas of connection with the rest of society. I wouldn't do it myself if I didn't.



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21 Jul 2011, 3:16 pm

People make mistakes and you goofed up badly with the use of the R word. It's not at all flimsy but common sense in successful advocacy for inclusion. By respecting others you garnish respect and this increases functional outreach and or integration potentials.

Countering hate of any kind with hatred of any kind produces a cycle which increases the chances of inclusion failure. Hence the idea is to be stronger then words and stronger then pre-formulated ideas but simply behaving naturally and with the expectation of mutual respectability. It is how I conduct advocacy to enable employment in what I do. Successful equality employment projects are improved with these expectations and the few times others are hateful the mainstream then looks down upon them. However supporting any philosophy of hated such as calling others R words or seeking some kind of revenge against the mainstream is extremely counter productive.

This all is very well rationalized and tested theory.


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21 Jul 2011, 4:51 pm

So is that reverse discrimination when I ask my employer to respect my seniority on the job or can my employer just fire me and keep the person he hired the previous day?



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21 Jul 2011, 5:30 pm

I don't know if neurotypicals hate autistics but I think it is fair to say that a lot of neurotypicals find autistics annoying.



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21 Jul 2011, 5:32 pm

I don't see how it has to do with the subject.


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21 Jul 2011, 5:33 pm

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I don't know if neurotypicals hate autistics but I think it is fair to say that a lot of neurotypicals find autistics annoying.


I find things annoying that so called normal people do as well. It's part of being human I'd suppose.


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21 Jul 2011, 11:25 pm

Ci I think that you fail to understand the balance of power. If an autistic worker annoys a neurotypical boss it would be so easy to get rid of the autistic because neurotypicals make up over 99 percent of the population. If the Boss happens to be autistic there is a 99 percent chance that neurotypicals will be the only workers the autistic Boss can find so the autistic boss is stuck with having to put up with neurotypicals.

Only an affirmative action policy or an autistic advocacy campaign that recognizes the enormous talents and gifts that autistic workers can bring to the workforce rather than the Rainman stereotypes that Autism Speaks loves to promote. This whole idea that neurotypicals will suffer reverse discrimination in the hands of autistic oppressors is simply not realistic. The only way that reverse discrimination could possibly happen is if autistics formed their own state or promised land much like we have with Israel. And reverse discrimination would still not be a problem even in an autistic state simply because the neurotypical would have a choice of hundreds of other states that he could live in while there is only one state the autistic could live in.

And the funny thing is that if you lived in an autistic state I doubt that you would be seeking a cure because suddenly you would be normal because everyone around you would be autistic. In that type of environment you would flourish.



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22 Jul 2011, 2:11 am

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Ci I think that you fail to understand the balance of power. If an autistic worker annoys a neurotypical boss it would be so easy to get rid of the autistic because neurotypicals make up over 99 percent of the population. If the Boss happens to be autistic there is a 99 percent chance that neurotypicals will be the only workers the autistic Boss can find so the autistic boss is stuck with having to put up with neurotypicals.

Only an affirmative action policy or an autistic advocacy campaign that recognizes the enormous talents and gifts that autistic workers can bring to the workforce rather than the Rainman stereotypes that Autism Speaks loves to promote. This whole idea that neurotypicals will suffer reverse discrimination in the hands of autistic oppressors is simply not realistic. The only way that reverse discrimination could possibly happen is if autistics formed their own state or promised land much like we have with Israel. And reverse discrimination would still not be a problem even in an autistic state simply because the neurotypical would have a choice of hundreds of other states that he could live in while there is only one state the autistic could live in.

And the funny thing is that if you lived in an autistic state I doubt that you would be seeking a cure because suddenly you would be normal because everyone around you would be autistic. In that type of environment you would flourish.


I really just dont like nor believe in the strategy of calling someone a disorder label and then blaming the world. There are good things to focus on but you also got to realize not everyone with autism has strengths in the same way. There is such a great diversity of people diagnosed with this label. The solution I work on is empowering facilitated employment where a public supports the employment and myself and others work in environments together and empowering one another. This cannot be achieved in public relations by constantly making others feel a division and making new divisions amongst people types. The other end of it is allowing people to experience traditional work environments in understanding circumstances that are sponsored and allowing potential new bosses to see first hand the unique abilities and human existence of not only people with autism but in general developmental disabilities.

So many employers and people in general are out of touch with this human diversity and it needs to be correctly and sensitively addressed. I do not believe all of the pride approaches are good, I do not like other vindictive types of advocacy and I simply believe in how I do things because it is not ignored and there are no excuses that can be created because I was somehow rude and creating despondency. Inclusion and equality is a very serious field and the public relations will either be stagnant as it has been for so many years, make things worse or progress in ways never thought of before.


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