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30 Jun 2011, 1:36 am

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Yes and some would like to cater to your mentality. I remember once walking out of the special education room and being called an R word. A good choice of words would include ignorant and even intolerant. However with regards to the public as a whole they are not mean children like for instance what happened at school. They tend to be allot more mature and respond better to mutually respectful communication. I keep it safe in public advocacy and in consultation. We cannot build bridges for opportunity for instance for myself and others with hard feelings but there is a better change with a respectful unity in resolve and intents (spirit). We got to grow past these very bad experiences.


Really? is that why I see the same sort of attitudes and immaturity that existed througout my school years out in the real world? I mean even jobs when i get a job no one ever has the decency to tell me what is going on, its like they keep it from me and then fire me out of the blue pretty much. I don't wanna go on a rant here....but from my experiance it seems like people in general are not very mature. but that is really just my opinion I certainly do not think you should give up your goal or anything.



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30 Jun 2011, 1:40 am

Well I suppose we are speaking of two different kinds of things. I'm more focused on the BIG Picture to mold the kind of respectful mentality toward individuals with autism and otherwise developmental disabilities in society. You yourself are not a leader of an advocacy group representing others. However some may think calling others ignorant is a common practice of individuals with developmental related disabilities and then be more mean or be mean when they before were the nice ones. The key is to make the rude already included people unpopular that treat us poorly because of social pressure from people that have been properly educated as to the social and fiscal issues in context.


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30 Jun 2011, 1:47 am

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Well I suppose we are speaking of two different kinds of things. I'm more focused on the BIG Picture to mold the kind of respectful mentality toward individuals with autism and otherwise developmental disabilities in society. You yourself are not a leader of an advocacy group representing others. However some may think calling others ignorant is a common practice of individuals with developmental related disabilities and then be more mean or be mean when they before were the nice ones. The key is to make the rude already included people unpopular that treat us poorly because of social pressure from people that have been properly educated as to the social and fiscal issues in context.


I think ignorance is the only way to describe ignorance, I do not think it has anything to do with having AS.



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30 Jun 2011, 1:49 am

As I said a better choice of words will have better outcomes. It's the same as calling someone dumb or stupid. Instead enlighten them. There are some people that deserve to be called a name like ignorant because they are mean. However when I've seen it used it's created or has the potential to create hard feelings.


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30 Jun 2011, 1:59 am

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As I said a better choice of words will have better outcomes. It's the same as calling someone dumb or stupid. Instead enlighten them. There are some people that deserve to be called a name like ignorant because they are mean. However when I've seen it used it's created or has the potential to create hard feelings.


Not really ignorant does not mean quite the same thing as stupid or dumb, it means an assumption/generalization made based on false/misleading/innaccurate information basically. I do try to educate people on things, especially things they might be ignorant about. I dont think using the word ignorant is anything like name-calling, its not an insult it is a way of describing someones lack of knowledge on a topic. If I call someone stupid then yes that is an insult, if I call them ignorant that means I think they are ignorant about whatever topic happens to be being discussed.



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30 Jun 2011, 2:04 am

It has very similar emotional receptive qualities. Once you define someone verbally as ignorant your essentially calling them a name. To be better received use more neutral terminologies. I simply understand this to be a subjective fact social psychologically in public relations.


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30 Jun 2011, 2:08 am

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It has very similar emotional receptive qualities. Once you define someone verbally as ignorant your essentially calling them a name. To be better received use more neutral terminologies. I simply understand this to be a subjective fact social psychologically in public relations.


K well I actually do put effort into remaining civil in discussions and I really do not feel using the word ignorant in the correct way can be compared to name calling. And well I guess there is a lot more going on in my life then public relations as my public relations consist of me being me and sometimes getting weird or confused looks.



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30 Jun 2011, 3:31 am

Hopefully things will work out for you.


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30 Jun 2011, 7:18 am

i would say the women i was chating with was very sapportive of adults with autism.i must say i dont pend much time on autism speaks or the asan but i find the steriotypes about both to be false.i would agree with ci about AS being geared towards children and its natural to want to cure a child.there is a certain truth about the asan being elitest but you must remember the nature of the work ari does demands high functioningness and people naturaly understand there experiences the best.the answer is not bashing the asan but getting some people with more neurdiverse experiences in the asan to consult


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30 Jun 2011, 12:11 pm

ASAN needs more then neurodiverse it needs a management and strategic philosophical transplant. It's how they get attention is what the problem is and combining issues. Not so much the other things which seem fine. . Their tact has been to attempt to alienate and force views instead of presenting alternative ways to see things. Watch how I do it in the coming months. I will post letters to organizations about neurodiversity but with a vastly different style. Neurodiversity is not an enemy of treatment rights but however some that use neurodiversity to force views make an enemy out of neurodiversity.


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30 Jun 2011, 5:34 pm

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i would say the women i was chating with was very sapportive of adults with autism.i must say i dont pend much time on autism speaks or the asan but i find the steriotypes about both to be false.i would agree with ci about AS being geared towards children and its natural to want to cure a child.there is a certain truth about the asan being elitest but you must remember the nature of the work ari does demands high functioningness and people naturaly understand there experiences the best.the answer is not bashing the asan but getting some people with more neurdiverse experiences in the asan to consult


The way I see it children are people to, meaning how they feel and think should be taken into consideration.....I mean sure obviously the kind of help a child might need is different then what an adult might need. But if child is convinced there is something terribly wrong with them and they must be cured I think that would have a negative effect on their development.



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30 Jun 2011, 5:37 pm

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Hopefully things will work out for you.


Yes, and hopefully everyone I meet will not assume there is something wrong with my 'mentality' because I use the word ignorant where appropriate. I mean if you have a better word that means the same thing what is it?



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30 Jun 2011, 5:38 pm

That can go two ways. When I was growing up I knew there was something wrong even though I was not entirely aware of it but others were. Sensory integration, changes and the ability to self-integrate like peers. Saying it is wrong to want a cure is just as damaging if not more damaging because it makes it not ok to want to correct what makes for these difficulties. Accommodations and understanding only go so far. Yet demonizing potential scientific understanding advancements and remedies is just evading fundamental human rights.


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30 Jun 2011, 5:41 pm

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ci wrote:
Hopefully things will work out for you.


Yes, and hopefully everyone I meet will not assume there is something wrong with my 'mentality' because I use the word ignorant where appropriate. I mean if you have a better word that means the same thing what is it?


1. Initial politeness to remedy the situation.

I'm sorry you just don't understand (X, Y and or Z). Then provide the knowledge in the same kind of sensative, polite or respectful manner you desire from them. Think of it as looking into a mirror and what you show the mirror is what you get back into your eyes.

2. Second. Still being polite.

3. Third. Being direct and saying perhaps in a mild manner way that you desire to be respected just as they would like to be.


Maybe you can provide some examples.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mVK7KcPk0E[/youtube]


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01 Jul 2011, 3:53 am

my reference to children went more to why autism speaks is so parent dominated in an atempt to un demonize autism speaks.autism speaks is parent dominated and its only natural for parents to want to cure a or any or there children.im not sugesting children shouldnt have dignaty.bridging to gap between asan and AS Is important.no other disability movement is so divided as autism


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01 Jul 2011, 3:53 am

my reference to children went more to why autism speaks is so parent dominated in an atempt to un demonize autism speaks.autism speaks is parent dominated and its only natural for parents to want to cure a or any or there children.im not sugesting children shouldnt have dignaty.bridging to gap between asan and AS Is important.no other disability movement is so divided as autism


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