Beyond Pride Vs. (X,Y,Z) Advocacy

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@ci ok i do like your views on things and that hasnt changed.what i have said is that you post to much about pride v cure not that your views were wrong.also you come across to judgemental and rude.i have only said be more polite and less judgemental and you could get more people to agree with you.i still am amazed by knowledge advocacy.your last post was not accurate about my thoughts

Just giving you a bit of feeling somewhat like I experience. I don't think however I am purposely rude unless someone is rude toward me directly. When others create a vicious attack upon other organization in extreme ways that is for certain rude and mocks compassion as being an insulting pity something strong needs to counter it. Change won't happen with such harsh spirited talks. If you support not being rude how about considering when others clearly and blatantly name call, demean and seek what seems to be very little constructive mutual gain simply don't back any side in that moment.

That last bit there is not easy to answer Mr. Leaf. So I will take some time and write a simple version and an analytic version because the perspective in which I speak is not entirely about my personal opinions. It's about individualistically derived rights under state and federal law. I won't rush this reply so will handle it this evening.

@ci i dont simply back anyside.i agree with aspects of diferent arguements.i agree with some your views but agree with other people ometimes two.if you look my posts that should be evident

Mr. Vermont most of the time I wouldn't expect people to agree with me in their personal beliefs. However it's about actualizing the reality of human rights. It's hard to have a personal opinion others would agree with if I have these set of rules stuck in my head attempting to balance the individual rights of others. In what pride says I can personally agree many times and in what cure people say I can understand where they are coming from. There are core conflicts between a public image for autism for research human rights and that of individuated dignities. What makes me humble I'd think by my own standards is to ignore my personal beliefs in my own life for the sake of enhancing the liberties beyond my own personal preferences. It's not all about how I feel but the reality in which comprises a diversity of both need, beliefs and genuine efforts to improve peoples lives. Most of the time I'd think people have good intentions it's just this conflict nonsense. Either it has to come to a climax to resolve, be neutralized or a growing trend of individuals would socially speak of individual rights and respecting individual choices vs. other kinds of peer social agenda's seeking strict sides.

If needed I'd in front of a crowd be called diseased, pathetic and pitiful and I still would not have removed in my understanding of the law the very ethical dynamics of it to any one side myself which in anyways disallowed individual choices. So I'm like you but very assertive particularly with that. Just I've learned to ignore what I consider a natural weakness that around every corner I must beat my chest to assure I'm seen socially a certain way because I am pressured to in any way. I wholly reject it and desire not to submit to such things. That's not my job as an advocate but that's the reality of day to day life in human co-existences but rules and laws supersede beyond simply universally allowing free say the social clique political trends when they fail to respect and enable personal liberties and choices.

If needed like I learned in the history books I'd stand for an unpopular relevant liberty rather then submit to a majority that might otherwise seek the elimination of an autism liberty for instance.

Don't bother engaging with him. He constantly threadshits and tries to make discussions all about him.

AT LAST...someone finally enlightens me as to what ci is actually talking about...thank you.

ci doesnt have very much tact and his posts are very repetitive but,he is sincere and has many good ideas

Well I forgot to come back to that post last night and reply to Mr. Leaf.

In socialization speaking about oneself is not wrong and happens all the time. People do it all the time to make the topic relevant and I think I've done it at times here to make the topics factually real for autism discussions (like this is how my life is) . I don't see why the person is jealous (like there is anything to be jealous about) but the individual has known to be a me hater on this forum. These *some *people are highly disprespectfull and need to find both consideration and respect for people with disabilities which they are known to hate on. I mean I see some of them using the R word and other common hate terms in ways obvious. This is supposed to be a place where people ought to know better but a few of them are just *bad*.

I'd have them show their true identities in public here, tell their story and put it out for all to see then talk to me in these ways and see how their attitude is before I take them in any serious manner. I am just not mean to people in real life. I wonder why some people are but those kinds of folks I don't even take seriously.

BINGO!

People talk about themselves all the time. Picking on me simply because I do the same things is strange. I won't hide my personal disabilities because it does not reflect on your desired view of autism for political reasons. Instead I just express it how it is and this I would expect from others.

The persistent personal attacks for simply having different views of autism and autism related politics is just gross. I share a story of success online and some just hate it because it's not an achievement about them. I did so not for only myself but for others to benefit from. It's an example of what can be done in other places to provide employment. I was simply used as an example to encourage others. There is nothing wrong with that and envy is really just a kind of emotional intolerance. It's these kinds of advocates that stoop this low that are really not about progress but destruction of potentials for those that don't fit the mold of their views and so to me it's simply a kind of intolerance and something I don't even consider an important barrier realistically in everyday society.

I wonder sometimes are these people that claim to have disabilities really people with disabilities and looking out for our best interest online? Nothing but positivity from people with autism and other DD's on the phone, in person and from many other kinds of supports. Some of you folks seem to represent the bottom of the bottom of what society has to offer and at times I think it may come from where applicable a corrupt self-esteem that resembles true hatred so as to agree with those kinds of individuals so as to not have to face them in potential.

There's nothing wrong with talking about yourself or disagreeing. It's just that you constantly threadjack and post for the sake of posting, even if you have nothing to contribute.

To be honest, I find the constant attention pimping more annoying...and the fact that he actually doesn't seem to be saying anything at all despite all the words, but that could just be my personal taste...I never really liked Edward Lear either.

If I didn't have anything to contribute I wouldn't post. If it's not in agreement with your or the alike mode of thinking then that's another thing. I don't go around calling people that disagree with my fecal matter and attack their lives in other ways to get back at them. Sides will always exist it's just that some sides will gain more support vs. less support with their choices of behavior toward others that do not fully agree with them.

a little obtrusive but not a thread jacker,ci is sincere

You folks represent a side and unless I agree with you this is what I get. Sorry you won't push myself and others to agree with you by making it personal and demeaning others when you don't get your way. You seem much like a group of people at a high school that pick on one person and crowd around them to demean them for expressing different ideas then what you want. This personal vindictiveness is no way to get respect from myself or other neutral parties.

My goal is for people to see both sides and come to understandings about perspectives. I've taken a large amount of time to try to understand it myself as a person with autism. No one can force anyone to believe a certain way and that ought to be clear.