Girls are over looked

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I did not. I wasn't referring to that. The attention was showered on those who are apt enough to "fake" their way out of trouble. And I wonder what ever happened to Simon Baron Cohen. I can't argue against this irrationality any further.

O_o... what? You made that statement on the quote below and you don't understand why I got your context wrong? And then you call it irrational after I point out the miscommunication inherent in the entire conversation? okay...

It was not too long ago that in the US, it was concidered ladylike for females to only speak when spoken to. We are talking out gender role expectation here, not biology...at least in this part of the conversation.
Just because females are more socially brained does not stop reminents of repression and gender role expectations.

Jojo

Im a bit skeptical about this one. Sure if a girl is very shy and introverted, its seen as ladylike. But then being shy, introverted, withdrawn and expressionless all into one your more likely to been seen as standoffish, snobby. This is coming from a female aspie who's very quiet at times. Perhaps this is when were approaching adulthood, introversion in guys seems to be tolerated more. Guys arent expected to be social. If a women is quiet and doesnt interact much, shes still expected to smile, patient and very graceful. If she's just a cold fish, shes seen as a b***h. I thought for guys, if they dont act up in childhood, there parents are likely to be relieved.




Here's the thing I dont get, if women are expected to pick up on social cues more readily and the aspie females arent picking up on social cues wouldn't that cause us to be noticed? If women are expected to be social, stuck to there gfs and the aspie females arent, wouldnt that get us noticed? Even the shy girls are nurtured by there more social counterparts, I've seen this. If a girls just hanging out by herself all the time. This was me as a kid and no one noticed, everyone wrote it off as shyness. However, wouldn't people think it was strange that she just doesnt have any friends?



Social cluelessness is perceived as something different with females. I think since NT females tend to be more socially adept. When a female exhibits the social cluelessness, its not perceived as social cluelessness cause women are suppose to know what they are doing socially! What it is perceived as, I dont know half the time? Or perhaps Im just drawing on my own experiences. It takes really getting to know me for people to realize I dont know what Im doing half the time! My friend once accused me of being a manipulator(that one is a long story).

You are right about boys getting the short end of the stick and shoved in duffel bags...I think this is where gender role expectation is against males ...when it comes to ASD.
I was indeed outraged over the duffle bag incident.

Jojo

You're obviously not concerned with the same topic. Your preoccupation with repression and "gender role expectations" are leading your thoughts on this. Which is why the conclusion makes no sense.

I agree with the mimicry/social grooming point; I never even considered that what might be riding on my back was Asperger's until very recently...in fact, I came to WP after reading the NY Times article to try and learn more about my partner (he isn't diagnosed, and would balk at being labelled such, but he is a classic male Aspergian), when in fact I came away learning more about myself... girls just seem to mostly manifest differently for one reason or another.

All of my social issues, my past struggles with anorexia/bulimia, my "quirks", my misophonia, the way I like to "flap" paper" inability to make eye contact, etc., etc..... all fall into place now... I've just learned to hide it well since the beginning of high school (conveniently enough when I stopped being teased.... go figure) I hate the Aspergian mask.. I fling it off and stomp on it as soon as I walk out of the doors of the hospital where I work

Not sure if you all have seen this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... NTCMP=SRCH

I have no need for a diagnosis; it would only hurt me via health insurance and at work and socially otherwise.... I'd probably just get "well you don't act like rain man....plus you're really hot and you're too smart to be ret*d"

Facepalm.

I've seem better articles.......I mean:

The impairments to their social life or interests tend not to stand out in the same way as boys' do," he said. "They might have one friend, while boys with the condition won't have any. Also, boys hyperfocus on facts and certain interests, such as trains or weather. Girls escape into fiction. They have imaginary friends, live in another world with fairies and witches, obsessively watch soap operas or become intensely interested in celebrities."

what? I may have wanted imaginary friends as a child since I did not usually have any real friends...but no I did not have imaginary friends, and I hate soap operas and rarely ever become that terribly intrested in celebrities unless they happen to be musicians from bands I really enjoy but yeah as a child I was more into reading factual information about my intrests such as animals.

But since when are most girls with As watching soap operas, or intensely intreseted in celebrities........if there is truth to this I guess its just my not so female nature interfering with my judgement but I just hope those arent the sorts of generalizations they are going to use to redefine how females present their symptoms.

And also if they are going to bother to redefine the way symptoms are presented by females......they might as well do the same for not so feminine females and not so masculine males. I imagine I probably don't quite present my symptoms the way a male or female typically does for me its probably a mix of both......so I hope they don't redefine it in such a way that it leaves atypical aspie females in the dark on account of them not enjoying soap operas or being obsessed with celebrities.

Also it says girls are more social than boys.......ok based on what? does this apply to all girls, some girls?.......because I've never been very social at all. I will talk to people and be friends with people but no its not easy for me to socialise in a normal fashion and I am not a very good actress so I cannot come of as neurotypical.

I think there are good intentions in wanting to explain the differences between how males and females might present their symptoms.....but it also seems like an oppurtunity for more ignorance to show itself, I mean what about females that don't fit in the female symptoms box or males that don't fit in the males symptoms box.

I think all of these theories are just trying to define the differences because there are so many of them. Frist and foemost - the disclaimer on ANY conversation about syptoms and their expression should always be - Autism is a spectrum. In order to outline what all the possible variations can possibly be, these types of conversations and research need ot take place but never will their be ONE answer. Never will autism have a one-size-fits all expression. I think many professionals tend to get tunnel visioned in their particualr research and either forget or fail to emphasis - Autism is a spectrum.

The research is out there, defining the gender variations that seem prevalant in ASD. Perhaps those lists of female traits should read - traits of those who identify as primarily female.