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24 Feb 2012, 9:01 pm

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interesting ideas but my point is that i believe it is me that must strive to fit into NT society, and that NT society has no obligation to assist me with that.


That sounds painful. If only I could fit I might go along with you.

this looks like agreement, not disagreement.


If you say so.

it's up to you if you want to clarify. :shrug:


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24 Feb 2012, 9:05 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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interesting ideas but my point is that i believe it is me that must strive to fit into NT society, and that NT society has no obligation to assist me with that.


That sounds painful. If only I could fit I might go along with you.

this looks like agreement, not disagreement.


If you say so.

it's up to you if you want to clarify. :shrug:


Look, I have been very clear so find yourself something else to do.



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24 Feb 2012, 9:09 pm

eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interesting ideas but my point is that i believe it is me that must strive to fit into NT society, and that NT society has no obligation to assist me with that.


That sounds painful. If only I could fit I might go along with you.

this looks like agreement, not disagreement.


If you say so.

it's up to you if you want to clarify. :shrug:


Look, I have been very clear so find yourself something else to do.

i just don't understand, but of course you have no obligation to explain. it's just really helpful to provide clarification when discussing issues so that meaningful discussion can ensue. otherwise the discussion can't go anywhere. we have a variety of communication needs and differences here on the forum, so people can always benefit from examples, clarification, etc.

whether or not you feel like you have been clear, i would like very much to be able to understand your point of view but i cannot see it from the scant amount you have posted on the subject.


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24 Feb 2012, 9:12 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interesting ideas but my point is that i believe it is me that must strive to fit into NT society, and that NT society has no obligation to assist me with that.


That sounds painful. If only I could fit I might go along with you.

this looks like agreement, not disagreement.


If you say so.

it's up to you if you want to clarify. :shrug:


Look, I have been very clear so find yourself something else to do.

i just don't understand, but of course you have no obligation to explain. it's just really helpful to provide clarification when discussing issues so that meaningful discussion can ensue. otherwise the discussion can't go anywhere. we have a variety of communication needs and differences here on the forum, so people can always benefit from examples, clarification, etc.

whether or not you feel like you have been clear, i would like very much to be able to understand your point of view but i cannot see it from the scant amount you have posted on the subject.


No, it's really obvious that you want to provoke. It's a typical NT passive aggressive maneuver. Good luck with it.



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24 Feb 2012, 9:14 pm

eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interesting ideas but my point is that i believe it is me that must strive to fit into NT society, and that NT society has no obligation to assist me with that.


That sounds painful. If only I could fit I might go along with you.

this looks like agreement, not disagreement.


If you say so.

it's up to you if you want to clarify. :shrug:


Look, I have been very clear so find yourself something else to do.

i just don't understand, but of course you have no obligation to explain. it's just really helpful to provide clarification when discussing issues so that meaningful discussion can ensue. otherwise the discussion can't go anywhere. we have a variety of communication needs and differences here on the forum, so people can always benefit from examples, clarification, etc.

whether or not you feel like you have been clear, i would like very much to be able to understand your point of view but i cannot see it from the scant amount you have posted on the subject.


No, it's really obvious that you want to provoke. It's a typical NT passive aggressive maneuver. Good luck with it.

i'm an aspie, fully diagnosed. :?


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24 Feb 2012, 9:15 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
eigerpere wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interesting ideas but my point is that i believe it is me that must strive to fit into NT society, and that NT society has no obligation to assist me with that.


That sounds painful. If only I could fit I might go along with you.

this looks like agreement, not disagreement.


If you say so.

it's up to you if you want to clarify. :shrug:


Look, I have been very clear so find yourself something else to do.

i just don't understand, but of course you have no obligation to explain. it's just really helpful to provide clarification when discussing issues so that meaningful discussion can ensue. otherwise the discussion can't go anywhere. we have a variety of communication needs and differences here on the forum, so people can always benefit from examples, clarification, etc.

whether or not you feel like you have been clear, i would like very much to be able to understand your point of view but i cannot see it from the scant amount you have posted on the subject.


No, it's really obvious that you want to provoke. It's a typical NT passive aggressive maneuver. Good luck with it.

i'm an aspie, fully diagnosed. :?


Either way, find something else to do.



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25 Feb 2012, 8:03 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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No, it's really obvious that you want to provoke. It's a typical NT passive aggressive maneuver. Good luck with it.

i'm an aspie, fully diagnosed. :?


LMAO. Sorry, please carry on guys.



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25 Feb 2012, 9:56 pm

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In view of the many injustices faced and suffered by Aspergians everywhere, I move that we found the Aspergian Liberation Organization (ALO) for the purpose of non-violent resistance (of course, I suppose I could call in an air strike if needed) of NT oppression everywhere. :wtg:

Our motto: Make love - not peace! :lmao:


No one who caused me to suffer any injustices knew I had AS.......to them I was just the target to pick on. I think it comes down to being different in rather obvious ways and for whatever reason it seems like society views different as bad and needing changed. So I don't think this problem is specific to people with Aspergers....and I don't like the us against them thinking.

So I may have to vote no on that, but I can certainly see room for changes in society...which would lead to less injustices for people in general including people with mental conditions/disorders who do not have normal functioning brains....I just don't see what good creating some political party to represent AS would do I guess.


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25 Feb 2012, 10:26 pm

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In view of the many injustices faced and suffered by Aspergians everywhere, I move that we found the Aspergian Liberation Organization (ALO) for the purpose of non-violent resistance (of course, I suppose I could call in an air strike if needed) of NT oppression everywhere. :wtg:

Our motto: Make love - not peace! :lmao:


No one who caused me to suffer any injustices knew I had AS.......to them I was just the target to pick on. I think it comes down to being different in rather obvious ways and for whatever reason it seems like society views different as bad and needing changed. So I don't think this problem is specific to people with Aspergers....and I don't like the us against them thinking.

So I may have to vote no on that, but I can certainly see room for changes in society...which would lead to less injustices for people in general including people with mental conditions/disorders who do not have normal functioning brains....I just don't see what good creating some political party to represent AS would do I guess.
I think I love you, your post was really nifty. :wink:


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25 Feb 2012, 11:36 pm

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I fit into NT society - as a somewhat eccentric, middle-aged man who likes science-fiction, model railroading and amateur radio - but no one in NT society needs to know why I behave as I do.


Its your own business, not anyone elses to worry.... right?



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12 Mar 2012, 2:41 am

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As far as complainers go, they are probably having a hard time articulating their troubles... The communication problems that exist cause us to often miss-communicate what we are experiencing. What needs to happen in this case is a study of the difficulties arising from Aspie/NT interactions gone bad. Once conventions are formed and become easily understood, people will be able to describe their experiences more accurately and knowing how to term their experience will lead to more social endurance.

I've seen a concept stated in literature where someone says to their enemy "you don't even know what I can do to you" or "I will show you some proverbial hell like you have never known." What is being played at here are creating experiences for an enemy that exist outside their known conventions. The same principle is used in the "provoke" tactic in times of war or in order to instigate war or strife between people and alienate subordinates from their leader. Psychological warfare if you will.

The situation, though not intended, is very much similar to what an aspie experiences when they can't describe what is happening to them. In fact the only time I have had outbursts, it was in situations I couldn't explain, or where my explanations were too complex for most to understand. There is a definite cause for aspie strife, but it goes unrecognized because it is hard to describe and a convention of it is hard to pin down. This is where culture comes in. Getting a bunch of aspies together in a community to experience each other's lives and form these conventions of understanding that could be made into books marketed to both us and NTs.


There are times when just trying to find ways to articulate our problems in ways that others will possibly understand is harder then trying to win a lotto. Many would just like some understanding rather then NT like condemnations. The world is filled with the willful ignorant saying TMI to us, the world finds us rather inconvenient.


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12 Mar 2012, 11:52 am

flush it all that, are you mind ?



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12 Mar 2012, 12:12 pm

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As far as complainers go, they are probably having a hard time articulating their troubles... The communication problems that exist cause us to often miss-communicate what we are experiencing. What needs to happen in this case is a study of the difficulties arising from Aspie/NT interactions gone bad. Once conventions are formed and become easily understood, people will be able to describe their experiences more accurately and knowing how to term their experience will lead to more social endurance.

I've seen a concept stated in literature where someone says to their enemy "you don't even know what I can do to you" or "I will show you some proverbial hell like you have never known." What is being played at here are creating experiences for an enemy that exist outside their known conventions. The same principle is used in the "provoke" tactic in times of war or in order to instigate war or strife between people and alienate subordinates from their leader. Psychological warfare if you will.

The situation, though not intended, is very much similar to what an aspie experiences when they can't describe what is happening to them. In fact the only time I have had outbursts, it was in situations I couldn't explain, or where my explanations were too complex for most to understand. There is a definite cause for aspie strife, but it goes unrecognized because it is hard to describe and a convention of it is hard to pin down. This is where culture comes in. Getting a bunch of aspies together in a community to experience each other's lives and form these conventions of understanding that could be made into books marketed to both us and NTs.


There are times when just trying to find ways to articulate our problems in ways that others will possibly understand is harder then trying to win a lotto. Many would just like some understanding rather then NT like condemnations. The world is filled with the willful ignorant saying TMI to us, the world finds us rather inconvenient.


I agree. I think it should be looked at this way: We aspies are a minority group. You have ethnic minorities and other minorities being catered to by the majority. Why should aspies be any different than any other minority?

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12 Mar 2012, 2:26 pm

how are ethnic minorities "catered to"?


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12 Mar 2012, 3:55 pm

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how are ethnic minorities "catered to"?


This is my third try. For some reason I'm getting an error in posting.

Let's see, so many sources, so little time.

1. Minorities get affirmative action bonus points for applications for government jobs.

2. Minorities get affirmative action bonus points for applications with government contractors.

3. Government give affirmative action bonus points for bids for government contracts when they (contractors) have an affirmative action program already in place.

4. Once a private business is a govenrment contractor, the US Code and the Code of Federal Regualtions, or State Administrative Codes in the case of a state gvoernment, are required to begin an affirmative action program and keep it going. I know this because one of my former employers was a defense contractor and I both negotiated contracts and filled out the affirmative action reports for this employer.

5. Universities such as Harvard, Yale, Georgetown, or public universities such as the University of Wisconsin, give affirmative action bonus points for applications for admissions to their schools.

6. Minorities have legally estabished cauci in both houses of the federal and state legislatures.

7. The IRS gives certain tax bonuses to employers who hire minorites.

Sources: US Code, Code of Federal Regulations, State of Wisconsin Administrative Code, Congressional Quarterly, US GAO Annual Reports, American Law Reports, IRS Quartly Tax Law Service.

In law school we are taught the term "Res ipsa loquitor", which means "The thing speaks for itself."

Res ipsa loquitor.

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12 Mar 2012, 4:56 pm

Longshanks wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
how are ethnic minorities "catered to"?


This is my third try. For some reason I'm getting an error in posting.

Let's see, so many sources, so little time.

1. Minorities get affirmative action bonus points for applications for government jobs.

2. Minorities get affirmative action bonus points for applications with government contractors.

3. Government give affirmative action bonus points for bids for government contracts when they (contractors) have an affirmative action program already in place.

4. Once a private business is a govenrment contractor, the US Code and the Code of Federal Regualtions, or State Administrative Codes in the case of a state gvoernment, are required to begin an affirmative action program and keep it going. I know this because one of my former employers was a defense contractor and I both negotiated contracts and filled out the affirmative action reports for this employer.

5. Universities such as Harvard, Yale, Georgetown, or public universities such as the University of Wisconsin, give affirmative action bonus points for applications for admissions to their schools.

6. Minorities have legally estabished cauci in both houses of the federal and state legislatures.

7. The IRS gives certain tax bonuses to employers who hire minorites.

Sources: US Code, Code of Federal Regulations, State of Wisconsin Administrative Code, Congressional Quarterly, US GAO Annual Reports, American Law Reports, IRS Quartly Tax Law Service.

In law school we are taught the term "Res ipsa loquitor", which means "The thing speaks for itself."

Res ipsa loquitor.

Longshanks


Women are considered minorities, too. There were a multitude of reasons 'why' small businesses amongst women grew exponentially. All is, not always, what it appears to be.

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