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25 Jul 2019, 11:15 pm

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Autistic Sex Offenders Often Don’t Realize They’ve Broken the Law. Should That Matter?
Autism is not a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card. If you do the crime, you should do the time.
I should expand on this.

If Autism is used as an excuse to avoid a prison sentence, then the only way to do that is to make it applicable under an insanity plea -- no prison time in exchanged for a lifetime of medication. However, such a person would not get hired, and would likely either end up homeless or committing suicide by cop.

No, make autistic sex offenders fully accountable, but place them in a special prison population specifically for autistic sex offenders, with specially-trained guards to supervise them.

Agreed.

However, the punishment should fit the crime. Again, the "sex offenders" discussed in the above-linked article were not people who engaged in any actual sexual activities with kids. Their only crime was to look at child porn that they happened to run into on the Internet.

Can we all agree that the former is a much more harmful crime than the latter, and that current laws regarding the latter may be too draconian?


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25 Jul 2019, 11:40 pm

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So lot of men are pervs then.


I doubt that, it's just biological programming. In that respect the feminists are correct, we do tend to think with our dicks!

Religion and social morays tend to frown upon men gawking at 20yr old girls but it's just life.


Which is completely different from claiming most of us find 12-year-olds "attractive and sexy" 8O


Sorry was specifically addressing League girl's comment that "a lot of men are pervs" not how attractive a 12 yr old is... :eew:


You gotta pay attention to the context of that comment. RDOS claims that many men find 12 year olds attractive and wouldn't dare to act on it so I say that means lot of them are pervs then.


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26 Jul 2019, 1:45 am

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You gotta pay attention to the context of that comment. RDOS claims that many men find 12 year olds attractive and wouldn't dare to act on it so I say that means lot of them are pervs then.


I think we have to fact the facts that all men do find young girls attractive (but not 12 yr olds), women begin to mature around 16 at which age they resemble a grown woman. The age of consent is a guide to how normalised it is for a grown man to engage a young girl for sex. In western countries In the US it's 18 but in Sweden and Australia it's 15/16



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26 Jul 2019, 3:42 am

Age of consent is 16 in some US states here and some have it at 17. Montana didn't have any age of consent law until the late 2000's when my brother was still in high school. He can remember his peers being upset about it because their boyfriends were a lot older than them in their twenties and they didn't want them being branded as a pedophile just because they were under 18. In Montana it was normal for girls to date older men and it was normalized in that area. In other areas, many people wouldn't be okay with it and would be calling the guy a pedophile.


But however, just because a culture is okay with men dating 10 year olds or 12 year olds (yes this is legal in some countries) doesn't make it right. In some cultures, it's normal for parents to kill their child when they bring shame in their family and that could be because they were gay or trans or maybe they decided to take a different career path than what their parents had planned, it could be because they are an atheist or they had converted to another religion. But that still doesn't make it okay for them to kill their child. They call it an honor kill. There are lot of f****d up things out there that are normalized in other cultures. Heck when I lived in Montana, emotional abuse was pretty normal there and it was normal for parents to kick their kids out of their home for "being out of control" and that out of control behavior was maybe them talking back. Kids thought me and my brothers had strange parents and thought they weren't normal :lol: but I am sure my parents have them a different perspective on life and raising kids. You can say I lived in a redneck area. I heard lot of Redneck jokes there. Life was totally different there. It was so common there how kids were raised it was normalized and no one would bat an eye. I remember in 7th grade how no one reacted when our English teacher told us about this one girl being beaten one morning before school by her mother who was drunk and came to school with a bloody nose and said something inappropriate in class. Probably because it was "normal" so they didn't know any different.


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26 Jul 2019, 4:53 am

There are also cultural norms. In Afghanistan, Ethiopia and Yemen it's acceptable to have a child bride. These customs existed all over the middle east, one of the prophet Mohammed's wives was only 9 yrs old.

Here in the west the age of consent laws are governed by lots of conditions, in Australia a girl who is still in high-school is deemed underaged, so in order to be eligible she would have to be living outside of home and not at school.

In any case it's deemed socially inappropriate for older men to be waiting outside high-school graduations. When I was in highschool one of the senior girls went on a date with a male teacher after her graduation party, she came back the next year to visit her younger sister and friends and and I overheard her bragging that she went to his house and lead him on and then when he asked her to stay the night she left and she was telling people how his face looked so disappointed, they all laughed.



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26 Jul 2019, 6:04 am

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Why don't you post here how large the group of participants was, how you chose them and the pictures you used. Did by any chance the 12-year-old look older or wearing make-up or revealing clothes?

There are many ways of manipulating results in such "studies" and if you are indeed in good faith, post a link to this "research".


I used 5 different pictures per age (a total of 5 x 18 = 90 pictures). The population used was about 5,000 per picture set (25,000 in total). The pictures were found with Google searching for "girls", "women" and similar and the age. That was also the problem given that to publish such a study you need to use pictures that are flagged for reuse, but that is an impossible method in such a research study.

Edit: It was actually much larger than that. I first evaluated each set with a population of 1,500 - 2,000 per set where a single random picture was given. I then used a random set and let people rate all ages (presented in random order). The total population used in this study was 16,000. Although, since only half of the population was surveyed (males), the actual population used was about half of the above figures.



You have to be kidding or trolling me 8O You pass as fact a "study" you have no proof of, then claim to have used random pictures from Google in which case you would have no way of verifying the actual age of the girls in the pictures.

I'm wasting my time here, obviously.

My apologies for derailing this thread, I should have known better and simply ignored such ridiculous claims.


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26 Jul 2019, 12:00 pm

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There are also cultural norms. In Afghanistan, Ethiopia and Yemen it's acceptable to have a child bride. These customs existed all over the middle east, one of the prophet Mohammed's wives was only 9 yrs old.

Here in the west the age of consent laws are governed by lots of conditions, in Australia a girl who is still in high-school is deemed underaged, so in order to be eligible she would have to be living outside of home and not at school.



I believe pedophilia is more common than we realize.

When I say pedophilia, I am using it as a category for men who are attracted to kids under 18. I am aware there are female pedophilies too but they are less stigmatized and portrayed as victims when they sexually abuse a boy and it's not taken as seriously when the kid is very young like seven years of age or ten.


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26 Jul 2019, 1:08 pm

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I also note, some people with or without ASD get involved with kids because they are motivated by delusional black magic beliefs. In such cases, such people are extremely dangerous around children. who they see as their innocent victims and sacrifices to Satan or some other fictional character.


In other words you're trying to revive ye olde Satanic Ritual Abuse scare .... That's taking this thread way off topic. Please see my replies to you in PPR, and please reply there rather than here.


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26 Jul 2019, 7:12 pm

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I believe pedophilia is more common than we realize.


This is a interesting case of psychiatry pathologising behavior (paraphilia) that might have been quite prevalent in society once upon a time.

Our ancestors basically had children when they hit puberty and I think this remnant of historical attraction has been retained in some traditional societies. In the west we have learned these are unacceptable.



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27 Jul 2019, 1:55 am

When i worked it retail, the best way to determine if a women is the legal age, if she was buying liquor or an item that required you to be 18 or older. I liked some of the wine ladies that would come into the store. You had to be 21 or older to be a wine rep.



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27 Jul 2019, 2:02 am

League_Girl wrote:
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There are also cultural norms. In Afghanistan, Ethiopia and Yemen it's acceptable to have a child bride. These customs existed all over the middle east, one of the prophet Mohammed's wives was only 9 yrs old.

Here in the west the age of consent laws are governed by lots of conditions, in Australia a girl who is still in high-school is deemed underaged, so in order to be eligible she would have to be living outside of home and not at school.



I believe pedophilia is more common than we realize.

When I say pedophilia, I am using it as a category for men who are attracted to kids under 18. I am aware there are female pedophilies too but they are less stigmatized and portrayed as victims when they sexually abuse a boy and it's not taken as seriously when the kid is very young like seven years of age or ten.
Hollywood has the reputation of harboring Pedo's. For christ sakes, even some of the SJW's have come forward saying pedophilia is a sexual preference. Pedophilia needs to be treated as the disease that it is. I will avoid that at all costs.



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27 Jul 2019, 2:08 am

cyberdad wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I believe pedophilia is more common than we realize.


This is a interesting case of psychiatry pathologising behavior (paraphilia) that might have been quite prevalent in society once upon a time.

Our ancestors basically had children when they hit puberty and I think this remnant of historical attraction has been retained in some traditional societies. In the west we have learned these are unacceptable.
My 3rd Great Grandmother was 16 when she had her 1st child.



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27 Jul 2019, 3:01 am

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But however, just because a culture is okay with men dating 10 year olds or 12 year olds (yes this is legal in some countries) doesn't make it right.


Things are not "right" because they are considered right in the Western culture. There clearly is no right or wrong when it comes to age of consent (or even if there should be any). There is no right or wrong about age difference either. It's just opinions that people have pushed and have managed to incorporate into law. What ultimately is right is how evolution designed us, and then puberty would be the legal age of consent.



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27 Jul 2019, 3:07 am

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You have to be kidding or trolling me 8O You pass as fact a "study" you have no proof of, then claim to have used random pictures from Google in which case you would have no way of verifying the actual age of the girls in the pictures.

I'm wasting my time here, obviously.

My apologies for derailing this thread, I should have known better and simply ignored such ridiculous claims.


That was the most stupid "rebuttal" I've ever seen. I think that if somebody posted a picture online and had the age of the girl in the description, that's pretty likely to be correct, and if some of them actually weren't correct then that would only be "noise".

I'm gonna make sure I NEVER explain anything more complex than a child can understand to you in the future. I don't want to waste my time on people that are not serious.



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27 Jul 2019, 3:13 am

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When I say pedophilia, I am using it as a category for men who are attracted to kids under 18.


That's incorrect. Pedophilia is when somebody is attracted to pre-pubertal children. It's called hebephilia when it's teenagers.



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27 Jul 2019, 4:52 am

ummm I think nobody is defending pedophilia? it's a mental condition that's been accepted by psychiatrists as a disorder.

People have other compulsive disorders that are also unpalatable, the point of the discussion is in relation to the Slate article, it might be best not to read the content of this thread if it's triggering revulsion.