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10 Jan 2021, 7:43 pm

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And there are more ways to contribute than simply through socialization. I totally get the intentions are good, but the message is counter productive. I think you will find an inclusive approach is going to be better than an exclusive one.


Screw that! NT are not "inclusive" with us so we should not with them! enough of the "turn the other cheek" crap from sunday school!

Plus if Group A. Excludes Group B. Group B. is not being "not inclusive" by effing off and working among themselves. It's like saying you are "letting down the company by not showing up to work" after being fired the day prior lol



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10 Jan 2021, 7:45 pm

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Screw that! NT are not "inclusive" with us so we should not with them! enough of the "turn the other cheek" crap from sunday school!...
I mean no offense; but are you sure you are not a closet NT?  Just askin'...


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10 Jan 2021, 7:46 pm

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Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?


i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.

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10 Jan 2021, 7:48 pm

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Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?
i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.
How very sad for you to see your situation in such black-and-white terms.


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10 Jan 2021, 7:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
Screw that! NT are not "inclusive" with us so we should not with them! enough of the "turn the other cheek" crap from sunday school!...
I mean no offense; but are you sure you are not a closet NT?  Just askin'...


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10 Jan 2021, 7:49 pm

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Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?
i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.
How very sad for you to see your situation in such black-and-white terms.


uh do you even know what ASD is? part of our CONDITION IS seeing things in black/white. (pun not intended)



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10 Jan 2021, 7:50 pm

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Screw that! NT are not "inclusive" with us so we should not with them! enough of the "turn the other cheek" crap from sunday school!...
I mean no offense; but are you sure you are not a closet NT?  Just askin'...
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10 Jan 2021, 7:52 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?
i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.
How very sad for you to see your situation in such black-and-white terms.


dark humor aside (pun not intended) my main point is how while you are correct that we can work on our flaws and become better versions of ourselves simply doing a "pull up by the bootstraps" is too simplistic and does not properly address the issues we ASD face



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10 Jan 2021, 7:52 pm

bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?
i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.
How very sad for you to see your situation in such black-and-white terms.
uh do you even know what ASD is? part of our CONDITION IS seeing things in black/white. (pun not intended)
I was not referring to bipolar thinking.


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10 Jan 2021, 7:54 pm

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... simply doing a "pull up by the bootstraps" is too simplistic and does not properly address the issues we ASD face
Why not?  I did it, and so have others; many of whom are members of this website community.


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10 Jan 2021, 7:55 pm

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Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!

Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.


yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)


OK then on an employment level I agree with you.

Just seems like there's a lot of people on here the last couple of days who have been assuming being autistic is this big negative sad thing and being alone is as bad as us as it is for NTs. People who long to be NT.

People, and especially autistic people, should be content in their own company during their off time. However, this requires more work than just going to the pub and blowing your brains out with alcohol requires. It requires having genuine hobbies.

If you need a job (either for money or because you are incapable of creating your own healthy routines), getting a job working for another autistic person is a good idea.

But there is no shame in that work being independent work we're actually suited to rather than group work.

My issue is you thinking you can shift all autistic people across the country/world. The way I see it, family comes first. If family are scum and reject their kin just for being autistic, it might be worth it for those specific individuals to move.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a pandemic. Over here, the country is in lockdown. NTs who work in groups are doing it over Zoom. That's why screen time is so high for people and why it's not great to say 'get out of the house' - I do go to the local park but I've been out a lot less over the last year or so than the year before it: it's not safe, my NT family members don't go out either for the same damn reason.

As long as we learn to focus on other things than just the computer, there's no issue. Take up art or learn an instrument or something. If you live with family, play board games with them. Go for walks at the park.


again you can be "content" being alone but science and your physical health disagrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation. just "get hobbies bro" is not enough humans were DESIGNED to live in large extended families/communities/tribes not be rotting in front of a computer screen. (many primates like gorillas/chimps live in large groups and cooperate for survival).



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10 Jan 2021, 7:58 pm

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... simply doing a "pull up by the bootstraps" is too simplistic and does not properly address the issues we ASD face
Why not?  I did it, and so have others; many of whom are members of this website community.


ok professor what did you do? so tell me do you have a healthy fulfilling social life? do you have a woman in your life? kids? folks you can rely on?

if so when you were dateless and homeless what made the ladies fall in love with you after you "pulled yourself up by the bootstraps"

how did you get out of homelessness?

-not trying to be sarcastic but maybe you have a better idea?



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10 Jan 2021, 8:00 pm

Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?
i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.
How very sad for you to see your situation in such black-and-white terms.
uh do you even know what ASD is? part of our CONDITION IS seeing things in black/white. (pun not intended)
I was not referring to bipolar thinking.


I apologize I guess I was kinda frustrated. My joke was morbid humor but the bottom line of the joke is that one should have dignity and not try to "suck up" to those who mistreat them. (many of us have been mistreated by NT)



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10 Jan 2021, 8:02 pm

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Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?


It amazes me how many people on WP don't get autism. There have been a whole host of studies on implicit bias against autistics. Reading Dale Carnegie is not going magically cure autism where you can win friends and influence people. NTS are too cagey for that. Sure, we can all learn and improve our mask. That only goes so far. Given the diversity of our tribe, there are only some of our tribe that might work well for.


we should try to form a tribe. but yeah I am done arguing with Fnord he does not want to be part of the solution and just wants to shoot any solutions down. (like wrestling with a pig in mud, the pig likes it but you end up getting dirty!)



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10 Jan 2021, 8:09 pm

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ok professor what did you do?
Read my reply to your post.
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so tell me do you have a healthy fulfilling social life?
Yes, friends from church and work, my wife's relatives, my wife and our children, our children's families, et cetera...
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do you have a woman in your life? kids? folks you can rely on?
Yes, yes, and yes.
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if so when you were dateless and homeless what made the ladies fall in love with you after you "pulled yourself up by the bootstraps"
Having a job, a home of my own, some musical talent, and a lack of neediness and desperation.
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how did you get out of homelessness?
I joined the Navy.
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not trying to be sarcastic but maybe you have a better idea?
Yes. Read all of my previous replies to you.


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10 Jan 2021, 8:13 pm

bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
Fnord wrote:
bigNYC wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!  Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.
yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to :)
Instead of relying on others to make your life better for you, why not try self-improvement to make yourself more competitive in an open job market?
i agree and blacks should stop being so lazy and just wake up the next morning with a masters degree and become white. when a hillbilly discriminates against them they should shine their shoes and say: "yes masa" plus they should NEVER stick with other blacks who can support them and network or join the NAACP.
How very sad for you to see your situation in such black-and-white terms.
uh do you even know what ASD is? part of our CONDITION IS seeing things in black/white. (pun not intended)
I was not referring to bipolar thinking.
I apologize I guess I was kinda frustrated. My joke was morbid humor but the bottom line of the joke is that one should have dignity and not try to "suck up" to those who mistreat them. (many of us have been mistreated by NT)
Oh, I have never been known to "suck up" to anyone; instead, I try to beat those in authority at their own games, and even faced non-judicial punishment under the UCMJ on more than one occasion for "Lack of respect to a superior officer".


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