Incel Mass shooter in UK identified as autistic

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13 Aug 2021, 11:14 pm

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I should have used a sarcasm tag. :nerdy:

And I should have remembered this is NT forum... ;3

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14 Aug 2021, 12:43 am

StrayCat81 wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

I should have used a sarcasm tag. :nerdy:

And I should have remembered this is NT forum... ;3

Well perhaps you should quit leaving such sharp edges around, someone around here may just slip on one and cut them-self. :lol:

But maybe I am wrong about you just trying to be edgy, still though if all you have posted is how you genuinely feel why do you have such hatered for humans, the species you presumably belong to?

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14 Aug 2021, 1:09 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

Well perhaps you should quit leaving such sharp edges around, someone around here may just slip on one and cut them-self. :lol:

Mmm, kinky, I do like sharp things... :3

Sweetleaf wrote:

But maybe I am wrong about you just trying to be edgy, still though if all you have posted is how you genuinely feel why do you have such hatered for humans, the species you presumably belong to?

I certainly have problem understanding how can anyone like humans? They are everywhere, hard to avoid, loud, violent, lie, spread misinformation and dumb ideas, or sometimes even try to copulate with you. What is there to like?

I do appreciate conveniences of civilization of course, humans are sadly still needed to maintain it, but why anyone can like humans themselves is beyond me? Would love to see how does it look from the other side though, why do you like humans? :3

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14 Aug 2021, 2:58 am

StrayCat81 wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

Well perhaps you should quit leaving such sharp edges around, someone around here may just slip on one and cut them-self. :lol:

Mmm, kinky, I do like sharp things... :3

Sweetleaf wrote:

But maybe I am wrong about you just trying to be edgy, still though if all you have posted is how you genuinely feel why do you have such hatered for humans, the species you presumably belong to?

Humans are by far the most interesting of all the animals.

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14 Aug 2021, 7:20 am

As I said about Elliot Rodger a few days ago on that incel thread...if this guy in Plymouth, Jake Davison, had turned himself over to the authorities and was in prison right now, he'd soon receive copious amounts of love-letters from a contingency of women who are attracted to psycho killers.

More disturbing, his Autism/Asperger's diagnosis will probably be used to paint ALL of us with a bad brush. We've seen it before. I've warned of it. But here we are again. Should we stop identifying as Aspies/Auties because of a few (possible) bad apples? 'Well, if that's how society defines autism...'

The world in which we live...

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14 Aug 2021, 7:51 am

The emphasis in the media is on the Incel aspects. There really isn’t much on autism.

The Incel community will be severely scrutinized from this time on.

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14 Aug 2021, 10:17 am

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The emphasis in the media is on the Incel aspects. There really isn’t much on autism.

The Incel community will be severely scrutinized from this time on.

That is what I have seen. The killer “referenced” autism in a youtube video.

In one article a neighbor said he had ADHD and described a few autistic traits. ADHD is a common co-morbid of autism so it is plausible he was autistic but at this point evidence is scant.

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14 Aug 2021, 10:18 am

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The emphasis in the media is on the Incel aspects. There really isn’t much on autism.

The Incel community will be severely scrutinized from this time on.

But will there be efforts to shut it down, and discourage people falling into it?

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14 Aug 2021, 10:23 am

There already are efforts being made to shut down Incel-oriented sites.

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14 Aug 2021, 10:32 am

StrayCat81 wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

Well perhaps you should quit leaving such sharp edges around, someone around here may just slip on one and cut them-self. :lol:

Mmm, kinky, I do like sharp things... :3

Sweetleaf wrote:

But maybe I am wrong about you just trying to be edgy, still though if all you have posted is how you genuinely feel why do you have such hatered for humans, the species you presumably belong to?

I don't particularly like them or dislike them for the most part, there are specific ones I like or dislike but not sure why exactly there can be a number of reasons. I do prefer living in a less crowded area than I did before, it is much more peaceful.

I probably appreciate the conveniences of civilization more than people in general. Also, I am human so I suppose there is a bit of self preservation just difficult to totally hate the species I'm a part of I suppose. For some weird reason I care about some people and humanity as a whole, but I certainly prefer to be away from most people. I guess it's just how my brain works.

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14 Aug 2021, 3:58 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Also, I am human so I suppose there is a bit of self preservation just difficult to totally hate the species I'm a part of I suppose. For some weird reason I care about some people and humanity as a whole, but I certainly prefer to be away from most people. I guess it's just how my brain works.

Humans always give me definition of a human that I obviously don't fit in (like humans being social, caring what others think about them, having identity whatever it is), so guess it's not even me, it's humans who show me I'm not one? Luckily I do look like one, otherwise you would have just turned me into a bacon or killed me for fun.

While I could technically care for a human, every specimen so far has been bad for my mental health and life enjoyment. So guess my dislike is just from experience, since the more I learn about humans, the bigger rift between us I discover?

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14 Aug 2021, 4:11 pm

StrayCat81 wrote:

...since the more I learn about humans, the bigger rift between us I discover?

Couldn't have put it better myself. I gradually discovered that what I thought was a chasm is actually a grand canyon.

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14 Aug 2021, 5:29 pm

I just skimmed the thread, so I might have missed it, but was the shooter actually diagnosed ASD, or is that just speculation?

If I may offer an observation, over the years here this discourse always pops up when a notorious criminal might be autistic, that we're going to get scapegoated or people are going to think we're all dangerous, and so far nothing remotely like that has happened, even when one of the most notorious mass murderers of the last decade, the Sandy Hook killer, did in fact have diagnosed autism. The stereotype for us has remained harmless geeks, obsessively glued to our computers butting in with 'wEll aKshUllY" when someone gets a Star Trek reference wrong online somewhere rather than ticking time bomb mass murderers. I highly doubt this is going to be the thing that changes that, and I wouldn't spend a moment worrying about it, it's just unnecessary stress.

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14 Aug 2021, 9:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

The emphasis in the media is on the Incel aspects. There really isn’t much on autism.

The Incel community will be severely scrutinized from this time on.

^^^ This, the general public have a perception of what an incel is and autism doesn't come into the picture. 4chan and 8chan are dominated by NTs with right wing tendencies.

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15 Aug 2021, 1:40 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:

StrayCat81 wrote:

...since the more I learn about humans, the bigger rift between us I discover?

Couldn't have put it better myself. I gradually discovered that what I thought was a chasm is actually a grand canyon.

Heh, what kind of differences give you the most trouble?

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15 Aug 2021, 8:15 am

Plymouth killer's school teacher tells how he was obsessed with guns and had a history of compulsive disorder and anger issues - so how is it possible he was allowed to have a shotgun?
The source is the Daily Mail a sensationalist tabloid so take that into consideration as you read the following.

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A teacher who knew Plymouth killer Jake Davison expressed his fury and disbelief last night that his former pupil was allowed to own a shotgun – and revealed that he had been obsessed with firearms from a young age.

In the wake of Davison’s terrifying rampage – during which he massacred his mother, a three-year-old girl and her father, a dog walker and a bystander – stunned teacher Jonathan Williams described the decision to grant him a gun licence as a ‘catastrophic mistake’.

Mr Williams, who taught English, drama and music to Davison at Mount Tamar special school in the Devon city said: ‘You have to ask, what the hell were they thinking giving him this licence?

Mr. Williams, who taught the killer when he was aged 14 to 16, recalled how Davison’s obsession with guns developed as a boy.

He said: ‘He used to have books and books about guns. Whenever I put a film on in class which had a gun in it, he would instantly recognise it and knew the exact make and model. I remember him saying: “Oh, that’s a Glock” and he would be right.

‘His mum Maxine and I decided to try to help him get into the Army Cadets as an outlet for his fascination. She was extremely supportive and only wanted to do the best for him, and I remember going out to help get him boots.’

Mr Williams said Davison’s autism diagnosis should also have barred him from holding a shotgun licence.

Last night, Mr Williams added that despite Davison being well-built as a teenager, he never had to physically restrain him. ‘We often had problems with some students, I don’t remember ever having to use physical force with Jake,’ he said.

‘He was never violent. In fact, he was often very gentle and kind with his classmates.

‘He liked to get people involved with class activities and he was witty too. He had fantastic creative writing skills too and was just very thoughtful.”

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The source is the source. That said a special needs school is named, his teacher is named and that teacher said he had an autism diagnoses. In this case I look at the source for the autism diagnosis as the teacher more than the rag he was quoted in.

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