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12 Nov 2010, 3:41 am

to give you an exact quote here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33868343/


"Wright: Hopefully until we eradicate autism. Once we finish autism, then we’re not doing this anymore. We’re sold out [for the Third Annual Celebrity Chef Gala], but they can always still send donations if they want to. "


so yeah. they want to do that.


also in same interview, she takes credit for inventing world autism day. (something the UN actually did, then invited her to come celebrate)

in another interview:

"we try to stem the tide and ultimately eradicate autism for the sake of future generations. If we continue our current trajectory, we’ll get there in my lifetime."



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12 Nov 2010, 1:00 pm

AsIndsigt wrote:
to give you an exact quote here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33868343/


"Wright: Hopefully until we eradicate autism. Once we finish autism, then we’re not doing this anymore. We’re sold out [for the Third Annual Celebrity Chef Gala], but they can always still send donations if they want to. "


so yeah. they want to do that.


also in same interview, she takes credit for inventing world autism day. (something the UN actually did, then invited her to come celebrate)

in another interview:

"we try to stem the tide and ultimately eradicate autism for the sake of future generations. If we continue our current trajectory, we’ll get there in my lifetime."


This person has no idea what she's talking about, clearly.



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12 Nov 2010, 2:41 pm

Friskeygirl wrote:
Why do we hate Autism Speaks, well they don't speak for for us, they only
speak for the parents, and want to cure or eradicate people who have are
on the spectrum. They see us and defective and not capable of speaking
for ourselves.


Can't we just sue them for 'false advertising' and be done with it.

Also about the msnbc article, people should post comments on it about the fact we're insulted and outraged.



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12 Nov 2010, 3:11 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
Why do we hate Autism Speaks, well they don't speak for for us, they only
speak for the parents, and want to cure or eradicate people who have are
on the spectrum. They see us and defective and not capable of speaking
for ourselves.


Can't we just sue them for 'false advertising' and be done with it.

Also about the msnbc article, people should post comments on it about the fact we're insulted and outraged.


Too bad I don't have an account. I'd write an essay about how I'm outraged I am at Autism Speaks if I could, but my cognitive therapist is trying to teach me tolerance. (Unless I state my beliefs objectively, which I usually have an easy time with unless I am upset or extremely outraged, and that doesn't go over well with my grandfather...I hope these people are nothing like my grandfather!)



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12 Nov 2010, 3:18 pm

KissOfMarmaladeSky wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
Why do we hate Autism Speaks, well they don't speak for for us, they only
speak for the parents, and want to cure or eradicate people who have are
on the spectrum. They see us and defective and not capable of speaking
for ourselves.


Can't we just sue them for 'false advertising' and be done with it.

Also about the msnbc article, people should post comments on it about the fact we're insulted and outraged.


Too bad I don't have an account. I'd write an essay about how I'm outraged I am at Autism Speaks if I could, but my cognitive therapist is trying to teach me tolerance. (Unless I state my beliefs objectively, which I usually have an easy time with unless I am upset or extremely outraged, and that doesn't go over well with my grandfather...I hope these people are nothing like my grandfather!)


I didn't have an account, it was easy to make one.



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12 Nov 2010, 8:58 pm

I think a lot of the dislike towards Autism Speaks' is their seemingly obsessive focus on autism's negatives.


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12 Nov 2010, 9:46 pm

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I think a lot of the dislike towards Autism Speaks' is their seemingly obsessive focus on autism's negatives.


That's why we should speak up and if they sue us, quite frankly we can countersue. I believe we can sue them on the basis of the fact they are using lawsuits as a method of intimidation to stifle free speech. Further we could also sue them for emotional damages.



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14 Nov 2010, 11:56 pm

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I think a lot of the dislike towards Autism Speaks' is their seemingly obsessive focus on autism's negatives.


Those negatives do exist, and much worse than would ever post on WP.

They are fund raisers for a cause, so of course they look at the dark side.

Even the high functioniong who post here have problems.

Looking at the way development regresses at age two, the reason it was blamed on vaccines, it could be a childhood virus, with a range of effects like Polio. Some got a limp, some got an Iron Lung. It is not unreasonable to think there is a cause, and there could be a cure, a vaccine that prevents it.

It is also reasonable to think that with some directed help the main problems can be reduced. Being blind to the world around you, learning how the vast majority function, can help us all.

It has been described as what nine year olds learn on their own, we can learn at twenty nine, if someone tells us. When told of our blind spots, we do adapt. We could just as well learn at nine, if someone tells us.

Most agree it is not Genetics, vaccines, metals, or bad mothers. But it still exists.

The problems exist, and blaming some NTs in Marketing for being ungodlike, is not going to help.

They do work parents, giving hope where there is none, and that is good, for parents feeling hopeless is the leading cause of death of autistic children.

Getting the message out that there might be treatment and possibly a cure saves lives.

It is not a lie, there are treatments that work, somewhat, and a cure is possible.

Compared to the past, kept on the back porch in better families, the celler, death, or life in a mental institution, in worse families, life is getting better.

A hundred years ago most were smothered or drowned. Everyone knew, no one spoke.

It is the same today, no one gets life for killing an autistic child. Maybe a year, maybe less.

Judges and juries are mostly parents.

Autism Speaks is going into that dark celler where parents drown their autistic children, admiting the feeling, and saying there could be a better way.

They do not have the answers, but they are bringing up the problems in public.

Life is getting better, slowly.



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16 Nov 2010, 2:26 am

It's inevitable isn't it? The revolution, I mean. Fact is that people and groups like Autistic speaks are classifying us. They are putting us in a category. One we don't deserve. They are medically categorizing us as flawed; as handicapped and as diseased.

It will bite them in the ass to be sure. Just like slavery bit all the Southern states in the ass. Just like double standards on voting bit Washington in the ass. Just like White only signs and unfair segregation bit Mississippi in the ass. All we need now are the jaws to do the biting. Lord knows we have them, and they all have teeth.

We need a Malcom X, a Martin Luthur King, a Abraham Lincoln, an Alexander the Great, anyone who could fit such titles. Not just celebraties but heroes, heroes that are ready to sacrifice and are willing to fight and have their heads screwed on just right. And are honest to their followers.

We are all honest. We have to be in order to see things so clearly. We already sacrificed so much. We are mostly too stubborn not to fight. So who is it going to be? Me? You? Someone else?

It will happen sooner or later. They will crack the genetic code. We will be labeled autistic and flawed. The parents of autistic kids will see this in their genes and alter it. And we will not be happy about it.

That is when the feces will hit oscillating unit. That is when the riots and protest of the neurodiversity movement.

Don't believe me? Be honest with yourself. You never got along with these smug NTs. You never got along with normal people. You really don't want to. I mean look at them. Look at what they do to each other on a regular basis. All the fights, all the gossip, all the mockery, and all the beravement of those who will not conform. You know you don't want a part of that.

And they can see right through you. Can see what's in your head. The same way you might know how to read a page in a second or how to calculate large sums in your head, they can tell what you feel and what you are thinking just by looking at your face. Will they try to understand your thoughts, or punish you for being angry and confused? What do you think?

I know you guys. You do better behind constructs, behind actions, behind things that make you stand out, not things that force you to fit in. Halloween comes early in times like this. No one can read a masks expression.

You see where I am going with this? Maybe you do, maybe you don't. I almost hope you don't, but then again I hate being wrong. By 2030 we might see the autistic uprising of America. People in masks raiding homes and ravaging civilized society, protesting loudly in the streets and not backing down in the face of riot police, firehoses, and attack dogs. And they will be no compromises.

They can't negotiate with you on their terms. You don't swing that way. You know that the social system is a rigged game from the start. You know what it is that you want. And its that way or the highway. And we know that someone in a full stim is like someone on PCP. Not that it would show in a urine test.

But then again, you guys are honest. You are kind, polite and understanding. You don't rush into things, and when you do, you have a purpose for it. But a lot of people, especially NT people, really aren't like that. At all. Especially those who band together.......

Just my opinion. discard it at your own risk.



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16 Nov 2010, 10:51 am

Ideawizard wrote:
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Look up Ari Ne'eman.


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17 Nov 2010, 2:38 pm

Ideawizard wrote:
It's inevitable isn't it? The revolution, I mean. Fact is that people and groups like Autistic speaks are classifying us. They are putting us in a category. One we don't deserve. They are medically categorizing us as flawed; as handicapped and as diseased.

It will bite them in the ass to be sure. Just like slavery bit all the Southern states in the ass. Just like double standards on voting bit Washington in the ass. Just like White only signs and unfair segregation bit Mississippi in the ass. All we need now are the jaws to do the biting. Lord knows we have them, and they all have teeth.

We need a Malcom X, a Martin Luthur King, a Abraham Lincoln, an Alexander the Great, anyone who could fit such titles. Not just celebraties but heroes, heroes that are ready to sacrifice and are willing to fight and have their heads screwed on just right. And are honest to their followers.

We are all honest. We have to be in order to see things so clearly. We already sacrificed so much. We are mostly too stubborn not to fight. So who is it going to be? Me? You? Someone else?

It will happen sooner or later. They will crack the genetic code. We will be labeled autistic and flawed. The parents of autistic kids will see this in their genes and alter it. And we will not be happy about it.

That is when the feces will hit oscillating unit. That is when the riots and protest of the neurodiversity movement.

Don't believe me? Be honest with yourself. You never got along with these smug NTs. You never got along with normal people. You really don't want to. I mean look at them. Look at what they do to each other on a regular basis. All the fights, all the gossip, all the mockery, and all the beravement of those who will not conform. You know you don't want a part of that.

And they can see right through you. Can see what's in your head. The same way you might know how to read a page in a second or how to calculate large sums in your head, they can tell what you feel and what you are thinking just by looking at your face. Will they try to understand your thoughts, or punish you for being angry and confused? What do you think?

I know you guys. You do better behind constructs, behind actions, behind things that make you stand out, not things that force you to fit in. Halloween comes early in times like this. No one can read a masks expression.

You see where I am going with this? Maybe you do, maybe you don't. I almost hope you don't, but then again I hate being wrong. By 2030 we might see the autistic uprising of America. People in masks raiding homes and ravaging civilized society, protesting loudly in the streets and not backing down in the face of riot police, firehoses, and attack dogs. And they will be no compromises.

They can't negotiate with you on their terms. You don't swing that way. You know that the social system is a rigged game from the start. You know what it is that you want. And its that way or the highway. And we know that someone in a full stim is like someone on PCP. Not that it would show in a urine test.

But then again, you guys are honest. You are kind, polite and understanding. You don't rush into things, and when you do, you have a purpose for it. But a lot of people, especially NT people, really aren't like that. At all. Especially those who band together.......

Just my opinion. discard it at your own risk.



I could see Autism Speaks pulling a (KKK)...oh, great...



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18 Nov 2010, 5:46 am

To be 100% honest, I think we will wear masks before they can gather the klansmen.

Like I said, we do better behind constructs and while standing out.

Is it really that hard to picture an autistic citizen rioting in a Batman costume? Assuming he even wants to copy Batman?

Superheroes Anonymous are bringing the idea of masked fighters closer to the norm. And technically, many of us with savant abilites can be labeled Superhuman.

Think of it as a "Fragile X-men" scenario. We will have our professor X who wants to negotiate with the mainstream, and we will have Magneto, who would rather see them conquered.

Whose side r u on?



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18 Nov 2010, 7:45 am

Ideawizard wrote:
To be 100% honest, I think we will wear masks before they can gather the klansmen.

Like I said, we do better behind constructs and while standing out.

Is it really that hard to picture an autistic citizen rioting in a Batman costume? Assuming he even wants to copy Batman?

Superheroes Anonymous are bringing the idea of masked fighters closer to the norm. And technically, many of us with savant abilites can be labeled Superhuman.

Think of it as a "Fragile X-men" scenario. We will have our professor X who wants to negotiate with the mainstream, and we will have Magneto, who would rather see them conquered.

Whose side r u on?


Somehow, I don't think that cosplaying is going to make people take us seriously. >.>


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18 Nov 2010, 1:12 pm

Maybe I'm using the wrong analogy.

If autistic people in general are not recognized as merely different instead as diseased, and organizations like Autism Speaks royally screw us over (Autistic Fetus Aborted; Outcry in Washington) We won't take things lying down.

Think of an LA riots scenario, but instead of seeing looters and poor people ransacking stores and taking it out on the police, It'll be people from all over the Autistic Spectrum in public outcry against the prejudice held against them and those like them. Imagine that the protests of today become full scale boycotts of genetic reaserch labs and abortion clinics. Imagine fire hoses and riot police being turned on the marchers.

Now picture what the most anti-social of us all will do when they feel the rage. Imagine what twisted ideas might come into fruition based off of terrorist campaigns and pulp fiction.

People like that tend to value anonymity



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18 Nov 2010, 4:33 pm

I think the reason why I dislike Autism Speaks is that they see the meltdowns and the stimming, but they don't ask us "Why do you do that?"


I dislike them also because what they are basically saying to me is:
You are an abnormality that should be irradicated.
You are not a person, you are a plague.
Who you are is worthless, your dreams, your hopes, your feelings, they don't matter because you have autism.


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18 Nov 2010, 4:43 pm

*to be read to the tune of Sexyback*

We're bringing eugenics back
yeah
Them stupid autistics won't know how to act
yeah
I'll throw all my cash in a sack
yeah
And laugh all the way down to the bank
yeah
Or I'll drive you off a bridge!

My cash is loose
I eat boiled goose
With orange juice!

yeah

I don't care if Einstein had it
yeah
Or Bill Gates or Daniel Tammet
yeah
I just want all the money on the planet
yeah

We make scary ads
So you give us cash
We need lots to splash
On fancy new helipads

yeah

I'm bored... :lol:

(this, TBH, is about all the so called autism charities that advocate eugenics, not any single one)