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Go ahead and keep picking at my writing disability as others have. Would you like me to show you the many blogs with nasty confrontations, the ASAN manipulations and nasty protests and how about the times my organization as a person with autism has been rudely attacked by anti-cure. Frankly just like them you want to make mountains out of mole hills when finally someone with autism has the audacity to call folks on the issues after years of name calling, self-esteem manipulations and attacks and yes down right bullying toward people that just want to be helped when the ideologies of the very high functioning people that attend college who are insulted when others are isolated.

Every malicious attempt has been made to be confrontational and finally despite all the attacks here is one person with autism that is pro-cure with a titanium self-esteem anti-cure can't belittle to get it's way. Now is anti-cure suddenly not against a cure now? The perspective has been backing away for over a year but will it now leave people alone who need help research might bring?

Yes you can write better then me, you are more perfect to point this out and I should not bother writing because it's insulting toward the image of autism because I have autism and I have bad grammar.

People are a**holes to people who think differently. Period. It's a sad fact of life. That doesn't mean you perpetuate it. No one in this thread was being rude. You however are. You're welcome to your opinion on the matter, it doesn't mean you need to be rude about it. Alot of people around here don't like Autism Speaks for a variety of reasons. That's our prerogative. Coming in here and slinging mud doesn't help your case.

So what your saying is anti-cure will morph itself after years of emotional abuse toward others and then play the victim when it gets a little mud sling back. When asking for a debate and others don't wish to debate yet keep slinging their mud toward the prominent hope of "cure" and another person with autism who thinks differently slings a just a bit back given the important issue he then (me) is the guilty party? I want to call you folks out on the issue because the arguments don't add up. Yes I have the audacity to pick apart the issues and ask for the mud to stop all together. This post was slinging the mud but since I slung a bit back I am the only one slinging the mud because it is not common this type of mud?

No one was slinging mud in THIS THREAD before you arrived. People being asses on www.stupidwebsite.com doesn't mean you get to come into a civil thread and start slinging.

It's like Reps vs Dems. Yeah, some of both sides are a**holes and idiots and talk like it. It doesn't mean you get to walk up to every Dem/Rep you run into on the street and scream obscenities at them just because some idiot on the radio did. Just because there are idiots on both sides of every conversation doesn't mean the vast majority can't have a civil conversation.

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False. I have confronted the mud slinging and the slingers don't like it when people that are similar to them revolt against it.

Asking others to boycott organizations for supporting treatment development is mud slinging unless you make up the rules as you go. People with very high functioning autism cannot demand to control organizations that they do not own. It seems to be about power, control and ego. The protest make fun of compassion by calling it pity when those people who claim it is pity are earning advanced degrees and do not have a substantial disability. I have a resolution to the quick sand ASAN and related are in. Get ready for recorded public debate or step aside types of politics to issues.

Anyone wish to participate in a recorded phone conference with pre-defined questions to be distributed on YouTube? No name calling, no personal attacks but just lay out the perspectives so innocent people that just are trying to help don't need to feel like they are akin to Hitler and bigots.

There needs to be a conclusion to these matters but as it is anti-cure is loosing its relevancy.

The sun has risen after a long rain and the mud is drying because issues have dried up and it's becoming the same old stuff.

Boycotting is NOT Mudslinging.

Boycotting does not disparage a company, it's simply not supporting companies that act in a way we don't like. It's the Capitalistic system of voting. We vote with our feet and our dollars. It's how we control our corporations. It's our vote, our voice. If Boycotting is mudslinging, then so is voting or running for office.

Ad sense chooses what ads to place there, not WP.

What you mean is that WP gets money (indirectly) from Autism speaks. Instead, what the OP is calling for is to boycott companies that give money to autism speaks.

ci: IF you like Autism speaks , then you fail, but there is a solution for this issue , just don't boycott these companies. The other people will ask themselves if they dislike Autism Speaks enough to boycott these companies and decide for themselves. Nobody is forcing people to boycott autism speaks.

You also cannot unilaterally declare that the other side is losing its relevancy.

It is also rather silly to call Autism Speaks supporters "pro-cure" seeing how "speaks" have done no progress in that regard. The most they hope to get is genetic screening to exterminate autism through genocide (As defined by the UN, making measures to prevent people from a group to be born is genocide, the group being autistic people). Perhaps you would think that just exterminating the gene is a solution to the problem. But it is not a cure. People that currently have autism are likely to keep it. They would have to do some real work to improve their position in the spectrum, but that comes from things we already know about. Research funds to autism speaks are a waste of money if you are autistic and you hope to be cured one day.

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Mudslinging comes down to disagreeing. Politics has all different kinds of muds and mud has manure. The pooh talk is funny. Without pooh mud would not be as great for the plants to grow. In a social sense everyone has their mud, their pooh and rights. The composting processes includes in the social sense all different arguments that people may or may not end up voting on. Regardless it is a fundamental liberty to sling mud that always contains traces of at least some pooh.

Boycotting is about mud slinging and I am slinging back by disagreeing which is also part of the capitalistic system of voting least indirectly but also part of frank speech and related rights. Good way to change the topic and put the blame on me for having a different kind of mud and mentioning the fact yes indeed muds contain pooh too.

Back to the issue of the evasion of the fundamental human right to treatment advancements and what about the confrontational tactics that have existed since the inception of Autism Speaks due to the "cure" mentality by anti-cure fundamentalists (not always religious)? I think the I Am Autism Video was designed to speak to anti-cure advocates who focus so much on the label as being them. Is it not ok for Pro-cure to sling mud back? Personally I'd be a little more direct then Autism Speaks if the video was designed for that and just lay it out. I'm not the least bit afraid of the anti-cure folk and I got a whole truck load of mud to keep me busy.

If the intent was to get along I don't think some anti-cure people would be happy until they thought for me and others and made decisions for me in how myself and others are represented for treatment improvements.

^ You seem to be under the impression that autism speaks invests their money in working for a cure. Even if you want a 'cure' autism speaks have not used such money to make any progress in that regard. It is a money dump.

If you disagree with it, prove me wrong. Show me an advance autism speaks have done to make people in the autism spectrum 'normal'. This advance should have an effect that is considerably a breakout over the methods we already have (which instead of curing autism just make the journey easier through special education methods and techniques). Show me an autism speaks pill that cures autism, or any research that seems to hint into doing that, and the research should come from autism speaks dollars.

Also show me that autism is a disease, so the concept of a cure would make sense at all instead of being a waste of dollars.

I'd also really like some proof that money that goes to autism speaks does actually end up benefiting Autism. Either in cure-research or in helping autistic people. Instead of getting wasted in things that benefit no one.

Actually, ask yourself why Autism Speaks is wasting the money that is donated to them by keeping making studies on the already-proven-false assumption that vaccines cause autism.

I think they are a PR front and spend money on awareness and give money to research. In order to derive money for research you got to have awareness. Not just any kind of awareness but at times an awareness that well may not be compatible to human pride related instincts and that derives a compassion by seeing autism as serious.

Anti-cure has done little to raise money for research as well. I think constructive dialog can be made available with Autism Speaks. Confrontation has been attempted since the beginning. Since autism is a wide spectrum one persons needs in context that need to be researched are different then the others. So one person will find it insulting when another person just wants the help available by means of research in potential to live a better life.

Also Autism as a label is perceived as a disability impairing something whereas gifts people have who also do have autism I don't think would be removed. The ability to focus for instance I don't think Autism Speaks desires to implant ADD to replace this but I think ethically it would be better assumed as the ability to defocus to improve quality of life to do other things aside from a specific explicit focus.

People focus on to many generalities and need to focus on the diversity issue of the autism in context and other potential interpretation aside from bent propaganda interpretations. Autism Speaks cannot force someone to be cured, accept they need a cure but can rightfully and ethically enforce the idea people with autism, family and so on desire a cure and have the right to view autism as a disability. Autism is a disability and difference but since Autism Speaks is focusing on the right for a cure and not specifically the right not to relieve modifications in context to PR and don't really see the great social crime.

There needs to be a separation between the acceptance of difference culturally and the right to treatment advancements but that's not easy.

Note: Autism Speaks spending money on vaccine research could as well end up being to prove or disprove vacine causation which I think has been disproven.

Mudslinging is NOT synonymous with having a disagreement. You can have a civil conversation about a topic without disparaging the other side.

Just because you think Blue to the most awesome color ever, and I think purple is, doesn't mean we're mudslinging when we have a conversation about it. You need to change your attitude if you ever want someone to have a real debate with you.

About not forcing people to take a cure: The problem is, the likelihood of a "cure" is low. More likely, they will find a pre-natal test for it. That is the bit that scares alot of us, that'd we'll be bred out of existence via abortion. If they did come up with a cure we could leave or take, I wouldn't blame anyone who wished to take it. The problem is that the decision is more likely to be one made by the parents. And it's more likely to be a "keep or abort" decision rather then "cure or don't" one.

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All their research money is getting wasted on studies to 'find' the link between vaccines and autism. The theory that there may be a link between the two is a horribly beaten up dead horse that has been largely unhelpful in the search of a cure for autism and also largely harmful to people. But autism speaks keep spending their money in that sort of 'research'.


Raising money is a useless quality if the raised money is used in unhelpful research.


It was already proven a thousand of times years ago. By 2009 it was already a dead horse. But autism speaks insisted, caused two of their leadership to run away out of shame.


They are by far not the only autism foundation. They have also proven to be a money sink that is not helpful at all and just spreads 'awareness' videos that make autism look like a devil that must only be destroyed rather than dealt with.

The money from these companies could have better uses. People, how about, besides o boycotting the companies, try sending them letters showing your concerns about the issue and explaining why you disagree with autism speaks' ways and that you would prefer the money to be spent elsewhere.

Anti-cure has done this since the beginning. I've never been anti-cure. Yes boycotting is in this context with anti-cure mudslinging and anti-cure is very political and so is pro-cure at times. Politics come down to disagreeing. If you want to excuse yourself from the debate by being the victim when I clearly outline my thoughts when others are nice to me then do so. I think it's just a way to not debate but go back to the tactic of being unreasonable especially with anyone that disagrees with boycotting when outlining the experiences with anti-cure folks.

No. I will not change who I am, what I've experience and so on so that I will agree with you. You have the opportunity to participate in this discussion and I suggest you do so or do the honorable thing and depart from it for the real reasons which may just be you can't argue with what I say but you do say you don't want to debate me. If you want me to follow certain rules because I disagree with you and others It's not a problem with attitude but an inability but likely a lack of a desire to reason within the scope of the debate.

Ok. Now I've briefed several research studies related to them that had nothing to do with vaccine. Unless everything has to do indirectly with vaccine. Researching vaccine causation was not a bad thing in the past unless your pro-special interest in certain ways but it is a dead horse now. I mean it would be insulting to anyone that strictly views autism as an evolutions gift it would then make autism into a resulting damage. Research and science by nature I don't think takes sides but finds the facts and vaccine related research has run it's course.

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The demonetization of autism differs from the demonetization of the person typically. What hinders a person differs from what a person desires to become. Taking it personally I think is increased by some political conditioning with the label being the identity.

I've given this issue a great amount of thought. I decided while at times it does make me feel bad to try and see it as what others are trying to do to help. Let's talk about a specific video and provide a YouTube Link. I've tried this before and folks refused to participate likely to protect a belief that if seen different would have political consequences.

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Everything is political. Not all politics however is mudslinging. (ok, thats debatable in american politics, but still) The person before me and I both came into this thread and made a moderate statements about the complexity of the issue and YOU got pissy. Heaven forbid someone recognize that there be multiple valid points of view. The only person who doesn't want to have a discussion is YOU.

I was speaking of anti-cure approaches and the perspective as a whole. Debate the points and make claim to if you are anti-cure or not. If you are I stand by what I said. Horse piss is sold in special fertilizer solution for real expensive as a primary ingredient. I think it's bull pooh.

Lighten up and bring up the issues and let's talk about it.