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29 Mar 2011, 7:07 pm

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Glider18 made it clear that his view of Autism was a personal one shared by others, but not a concrete definition of Autism that applies to all. His view was expressed in a fair manner with respect to those that experience autism differently than himself

Yes one that was self-centered. Based on self and the definition of autism centered on self. My only concern was the usage of the phrase autism is not a disability. I think it might help others more with concern to the understanding that is needed for social services for instance if people say their form of autism is not disabling to them. Would make sense to say this vs. autism is not a disability which is wrong.

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Also, he made it clear that he has been able to fit in with Autism, not that he used Autism to fit in. Consider if a person was blind and was able to fit; it certainly could be seen as offensive to suggest that the person used his blindness to fit in.

He stated in so many words saying he has autism makes people treat him nice. What is seems to be what is. My angle of the conversation is the two points of the social usage of autism in reference to self (centering the usage of autism on self) and saying autism is not a disability is an injustice. The bias of this is of course someone does not want to be perceived defective socially.

While I can understand the psychology of this I do not know why anyone else is not feeling compelled to correct the individual. If people say autism is not a disability then folks will take away community integration and support for people with autism who are disabled and are clearly not as adaptive as him or others. It's why this whole pride thing is both mal-productive many times and conflict orientated. It's a self-esteem thing but the right to dignity does not supersede a collective truth as there was no differentiation between his autism and other peoples autisms in declared usage in the story.

Pride can be so wrong headed and harmful.

If you read the post again, he was careful to acknowledge that others that have Autism experience it in a more difficult way than he does before he expressed his own personal opinion. He did not state that Autism makes anyone treat him nice, he was making it clear that he was accepted by others. I responded further in the Free For All topic. Hopefully I was able to provide further insight from my perspective.

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29 Mar 2011, 7:10 pm

I don't think there is anything wrong with telling others about autism to get understanding. Facts are facts however. So other then the self-centered misunderstanding I don't see the big problem.

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29 Mar 2011, 7:21 pm

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I don't think there is anything wrong with telling others about autism to get understanding. Facts are facts however. So other then the self-centered misunderstanding I don't see the big problem.

I don't have a problem with any of it. I just saw what I thought was a misunderstanding, and felt compelled to provide clarification where possible, in order to prevent a misunderstanding like this in the future.

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30 Mar 2011, 12:49 pm

Refusing to admit someone has Autism doesn't change whether they are, in fact, Autistic.

Autism is not inherently disabling.

Your obsession is not healthy, ci.

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30 Mar 2011, 12:54 pm

Bethie wrote:

Refusing to admit someone has Autism doesn't change whether they are, in fact, Autistic.

Autism is not inherently disabling.

Your obsession is not healthy, ci.

So my productive job that has created jobs is not healthy yet here in this conversation the attempt to oblige something other then the obvious. Autism is a disability under the law and typically the strategy is to blame the disability aspects of other people as other things then autism itself. This kind of intellectual blindness, political arrogance and so on is the product of thoughts of shame produced not by society but by peer pressure not to let known impairment for the sake of agenda. An agenda that seems to lead to mainstream political potentials.

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30 Mar 2011, 1:03 pm

ci wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Refusing to admit someone has Autism doesn't change whether they are, in fact, Autistic.

Autism is not inherently disabling.

Your obsession is not healthy, ci.

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30 Mar 2011, 1:14 pm

This topic was about the right not to be stereotyped. Under the law autism is a disability whether or not you believe it to be and it ranges from mild to profound. In your language you can call folks pink with purple poke-a-dots but in reality autism is a disorder label and people can choose not to have it plastered as their identity and especially choose to be referred to as a person first such as hey look that's an autistic vs. hey there is Nathan.

It's about respecting people for being people. In the cultural sense rather then medical and related professions it is much more humane, neutral and respectful to know a person as a person and there name then a pathological label. Awareness while I don't think it has intended to has had an emotional toll on people and altered their lives. Altered their lives in way that autism the diagnoses has become an emotional burden more then a label to garnish help.

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30 Mar 2011, 1:39 pm

At first, I was upset because I saw that Ci was mildly bullying people unintentionally... but now..

I can see your pretty damn audacious. Good work lol

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30 Mar 2011, 2:20 pm

ci wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Refusing to admit someone has Autism doesn't change whether they are, in fact, Autistic.

Autism is not inherently disabling.

Your obsession is not healthy, ci.

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30 Mar 2011, 2:26 pm

If you do not want to respect the difference between a person and a label that is your decision. As time goes on more and more people will understand the reason to not center such stigma on a person. I am an individual with autism and not a disorder label as a person. The sayings autistic person, simply autistic in reference to someone and autistic man or autistic women is fundamentally disrespectful. Awareness politics and special interest has no priority in my life or others that choose to be human and person first as everyone else is assumed to be orientated.

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30 Mar 2011, 2:33 pm

ci wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Refusing to admit someone has Autism doesn't change whether they are, in fact, Autistic.

Autism is not inherently disabling.

Your obsession is not healthy, ci.

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30 Mar 2011, 2:42 pm

I will reply for days if you persist to get the words of constructive reason out in all sorts of different ways. The more you insist by pasting and copying the same obvious statements and not realizing the difference between medical and related establishment and cultural awareness with respect to individuals and individuality the more dignity will have it's foundation.

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30 Mar 2011, 2:47 pm

ci wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Refusing to admit someone has Autism doesn't change whether they are, in fact, Autistic.

Autism is not inherently disabling.

Your obsession is not healthy, ci.

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30 Mar 2011, 2:51 pm

Temple Grandin article was out a few days ago depicting some with autism are obsessed with the disorder. I'd have to agree. The idea of explaining differences does not have to result in such a great distraction. However in light of this some are professional advocates like her.

"It bothers me when a teen or someone just talks to me about their autism," Grandin said Wednesday. "Talk to me about dinosaurs . . . or your vacation. Too many kids get fixated on autism and not their career."

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17687028

Where I live people first language is priority unless otherwise stated. Why would anyone want people to be called a disorder label to focus on it more and themselves. My job is creating jobs which is hardly an obsession. No one I know with autism is obsessed with the label or disorder.

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30 Mar 2011, 3:06 pm

ci wrote:

The sayings autistic person, simply autistic in reference to someone and autistic man or autistic women is fundamentally disrespectful.

Oh come on. As written, that's just nonsense.
It's every bit as ridiculous to claim that 'blond woman' or 'American man' is disrespectful, or to refer to someone who can't see as 'a blind man'.
I think the only reason you're claiming it's disrespectful is down to the amazing amount of emotional baggage you seem to have attached to one word: "Autism".

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30 Mar 2011, 3:11 pm

Right. It is unheard of that others have feelings other then your own. It is amazing that people have feelings at all because the right ones have been dictated to them. That for the demands of dignity to come from those that sport the label go far beyond that of dignity but to redefine the label as simply a difference and the hardships something to ignore for the sake of the dignity of the label. The persons that do not wish to be called a disorder are people and not branded disorders.

The below video is fun.

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