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05 Jul 2011, 6:48 pm

This is an issue of human rights and ethics. Individuals saying they are and being insulted when they believe they do not need a cure vs. individuals wanting and needing a cure. Individuals have the right to privacy and yet desire the dignity in the fact that they do not need a cure at times. It is logical that a cure when not chosen or deemed necessary by individuals themselves and also the related proclamation of sorts declaring a cure in public relations insulting and not needed and yet while saying treatment is ok is just illogical to me. The point of treatment is to remedy and remedy so as to create the ability to function as one chooses. The right to self-proclaim the dignity of not needing a cure vs anthers dignity to seek it and ask for it are both rightful when others have gone out of their way to demean those who seek a cure for specific autism related impairments. And still yet the right to treatment supersedes dignity many times.

It is not as simple as pride vs. cure anymore. This is a matter of evading the right to choose treatments with potential future outcome of being cured of manifest specific hardships. The fact that a mind comprised of a brain has different wiring is only partly relevant to argumentation. An individual can have a differing neurological configuration then the said norm but yet still treatment may sometimes and or often in the future cure some or more symptoms.


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08 Jul 2011, 8:35 pm

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almost all neurotypicals know that einsteins genius was a direct result of autism.no one ive heard thinks einstein overcame any disability.most neurotypicals understand the savant in idiot savant is real.@Ci i dont know what you mean by i dont feel superior to yourself.my comment had nothing do do with mine or anyones insecurities.you come on this forum baiting people with there emotions does not make your point it just alienates people and hinder peoples understanding of your point


For the last time, Einstein is dead. We could probably compare his brain to that of an autistic person's if we wanted to diagnose him, but that has not yet happened. Use Vernon Smith or Temple Grandin as an example, since they actually do have autism.

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ci, can you please just communicate with Ari Ne'eman or someone else involved in ASAN? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear you out. Since there will never be a cure for autism, I thik the ASAN approach is best.


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08 Jul 2011, 8:49 pm

In the absolute sense a cure is quite near impossible and impractical. In the hardship sense of symptoms more so possible. When media, non-profits and research based groups use the term "cure" they tend to be using it in the non-absolute form as what might be interpreted by others. A cure that implies "re-wiring" the brain is impractical but a cure by means of treatment that removes hardships when chosen like the inability to speak, sensory integration and so on are better implied in interpretation for mutually positive relations and discourse.

As far as ASAN goes their politics have been so very confrontational to derive attention, adverse to treatment rights and unprofessional in spite of eloquent speaking arrangements association with them is a political risk and potential nightmare. The idea of removing dollars from research for treatment with potential cures in exchange for services for the very highly functional and adversity over simple words of a disorder label as applied to others as an identity for political purposes when one is otherwise very high functioning is not the kind of agenda I'd choose or be pressured at all costs to associate with. The idea of self-advocates being leaders is a good cause but the kinds of leadership as manifest in the central authority of the organization and those whom they have primarily catered to in the media for the most part is not the drama and methods I'd endorse.

The plight of and short-term gains of the I'm insulted so I get my way or your a autism hater/bigot is nearing it's end. Advocates may be in their right to speak and deserve attention as self representatives of autism but the methods and policies of the self-advocacy movement as manifest within ASAN at least sometimes poses problems and potentially evade human rights. I strongly believe these introductory tactics used by ASAN and alike groups will become less effective and a newer breed of advocacy will prevail which shall include with open arms those of the past as well as the future. There are more important items of progress to concern then silly words such as a cure and what seems like many times the attempt to alienate individuals who otherwise care.

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09 Jul 2011, 6:41 am

Delirium wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
almost all neurotypicals know that einsteins genius was a direct result of autism.no one ive heard thinks einstein overcame any disability.most neurotypicals understand the savant in idiot savant is real.@Ci i dont know what you mean by i dont feel superior to yourself.my comment had nothing do do with mine or anyones insecurities.you come on this forum baiting people with there emotions does not make your point it just alienates people and hinder peoples understanding of your point


For the last time, Einstein is dead. We could probably compare his brain to that of an autistic person's if we wanted to diagnose him, but that has not yet happened. Use Vernon Smith or Temple Grandin as an example, since they actually do have autism.

Back on topic...
ci, can you please just communicate with Ari Ne'eman or someone else involved in ASAN? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear you out. Since there will never be a cure for autism, I thik the ASAN approach is best.
i was responding to someone else who talkd about einstein.i dont do third person dx


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09 Jul 2011, 8:31 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Delirium wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
almost all neurotypicals know that einsteins genius was a direct result of autism.no one ive heard thinks einstein overcame any disability.most neurotypicals understand the savant in idiot savant is real.@Ci i dont know what you mean by i dont feel superior to yourself.my comment had nothing do do with mine or anyones insecurities.you come on this forum baiting people with there emotions does not make your point it just alienates people and hinder peoples understanding of your point


For the last time, Einstein is dead. We could probably compare his brain to that of an autistic person's if we wanted to diagnose him, but that has not yet happened. Use Vernon Smith or Temple Grandin as an example, since they actually do have autism.

Back on topic...
ci, can you please just communicate with Ari Ne'eman or someone else involved in ASAN? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear you out. Since there will never be a cure for autism, I thik the ASAN approach is best.
i was responding to someone else who talkd about einstein.i dont do third person dx


Ohhh, sorry. I should have been addressing that guy.


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09 Jul 2011, 9:30 am

Delirium wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Delirium wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
almost all neurotypicals know that einsteins genius was a direct result of autism.no one ive heard thinks einstein overcame any disability.most neurotypicals understand the savant in idiot savant is real.@Ci i dont know what you mean by i dont feel superior to yourself.my comment had nothing do do with mine or anyones insecurities.you come on this forum baiting people with there emotions does not make your point it just alienates people and hinder peoples understanding of your point


For the last time, Einstein is dead. We could probably compare his brain to that of an autistic person's if we wanted to diagnose him, but that has not yet happened. Use Vernon Smith or Temple Grandin as an example, since they actually do have autism.

Back on topic...
ci, can you please just communicate with Ari Ne'eman or someone else involved in ASAN? I'm sure they'd be happy to hear you out. Since there will never be a cure for autism, I thik the ASAN approach is best.
i was responding to someone else who talkd about einstein.i dont do third person dx


Ohhh, sorry. I should have been addressing that guy.
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09 Jul 2011, 6:45 pm

The problem I see is that it is not the person with autism making the choice to be "cured". I can certainly say from my perspective that I am not broken and don't want to be fixed.



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09 Jul 2011, 7:56 pm

Do you have autism?


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