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19 May 2014, 1:25 pm

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in all fairness, I read the story a couple times and read the comments a couple times as well. The comments that the guy is getting are way beyond what he deserves. I really think the guy meant well. I certainly don't think he meant to offend anyone. The guy was obviously hurt by the harshness of the comments. This might not be popular, but I don't give a crap I'm going to say it anyway- he is right in that employers reading that story and the comments might think twice about hiring people on the spectrum because most of the comments are way more harsh than the story warrants. The best thing to do would have been to calmly educate him on issues we face, but someone went off on him and it turned into a stampede with every body going at him. I find it really sad that this man no longer wants to touch the topic of disability.


Reading the article I thought that he meant well, that was clueless as to our situation, that he approached the article from neuro mainstream point of view. Since he said he was quitting writing about disabilities I had come to be believe that we had made our point and he had recognized he taken on something that was more complicated then he thought. Because of that I believed it was time to stop, that anymore negative comments would be overkill.

Reading what he blogged in 2012 shows he just hates us.
http://martynemko.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... s.html?m=1
Thanks to Paul Almond for bringing the above to Facebook




But he doesn't want to help them get work? That is how it sounded to me after reading it. It seems to contradict his latest article. I must have missed a part where he said he wouldn't write about disabilities anymore. Talk about taking it to extreme.


One, whoever posted it (sorry, lost track of nested quotes), please stop with the "X hates us". Not being a cheering fan is not the same thing as hating.

Two, no, he does not want to help autistic people get work. He's more concerned with the employer, afraid of sticking the employer with actually disabled people who then can't be fired under ADA. He's got a pretty appalling attitude, if you ask me.



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19 May 2014, 1:46 pm

That's probably the real reason why people are pissed at the article and him. Not because he was stating a fact about the majority of autistics and how it affects them and keeps them unemployed.


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19 May 2014, 3:36 pm

I don't know-- all the self-love s**t that disappointed people feed me aside, that pretty accurately reflects my opinion of my own capabilities.

At this point, I would be really grateful for a sub-minimum wage job in a 'tard car wash, and a nice bed in a group home.

I'm tired of trying. Tired, frankly, of living.

In sixteen years-- sooner, if my husband leaves me and takes the kids-- I can blow my f*****g head off and be done with all of it.


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19 May 2014, 3:50 pm

He's yet another brick in the wall of the economic oppression ASD people face in the workplace. That he's a life coach came as no surprise at all.



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19 May 2014, 7:22 pm

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Both of these old Twilight zone episodes touch upon what I'm talking about.

I remember an episode where these kids dove into a swimming pool and came up in a hollow where there was a nice old woman. I think they decided to stay there.

The first episode you posted reminded me of a film called Falling Down:

Falling Down (1993)-IMDB



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19 May 2014, 9:27 pm

Hi Ann,

Nice icon, again!

How are you today?



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19 May 2014, 9:44 pm

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Hi Ann,

Nice icon, again!

How are you today?

Hi kortie,
That's a flower pot from my patio.
I am stressed about not being able to find tolerable employment (well actually, any employment.) I'm trying elance.
In the past I've been able to manage retail, but as I've gotten older I find I get too confused with all the stimuli.



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19 May 2014, 9:45 pm

Ever thought about data entry? That's what I do.



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19 May 2014, 9:59 pm

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Ever thought about data entry? That's what I do.

I'm fast with the alphabet, but not numbers. Also I have trouble concentrating on entry into the interface for long periods of time. When I was working as a cashier the repetitive scanning and entering of codes got to me. Made me feel like I was part of some huge machine.



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20 May 2014, 2:32 am

tarantella64 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
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Rascal77s wrote:
in all fairness, I read the story a couple times and read the comments a couple times as well. The comments that the guy is getting are way beyond what he deserves. I really think the guy meant well. I certainly don't think he meant to offend anyone. The guy was obviously hurt by the harshness of the comments. This might not be popular, but I don't give a crap I'm going to say it anyway- he is right in that employers reading that story and the comments might think twice about hiring people on the spectrum because most of the comments are way more harsh than the story warrants. The best thing to do would have been to calmly educate him on issues we face, but someone went off on him and it turned into a stampede with every body going at him. I find it really sad that this man no longer wants to touch the topic of disability.


Reading the article I thought that he meant well, that was clueless as to our situation, that he approached the article from neuro mainstream point of view. Since he said he was quitting writing about disabilities I had come to be believe that we had made our point and he had recognized he taken on something that was more complicated then he thought. Because of that I believed it was time to stop, that anymore negative comments would be overkill.

Reading what he blogged in 2012 shows he just hates us.
http://martynemko.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... s.html?m=1
Thanks to Paul Almond for bringing the above to Facebook




But he doesn't want to help them get work? That is how it sounded to me after reading it. It seems to contradict his latest article. I must have missed a part where he said he wouldn't write about disabilities anymore. Talk about taking it to extreme.


One, whoever posted it (sorry, lost track of nested quotes), please stop with the "X hates us". Not being a cheering fan is not the same thing as hating.

Two, no, he does not want to help autistic people get work. He's more concerned with the employer, afraid of sticking the employer with actually disabled people who then can't be fired under ADA. He's got a pretty appalling attitude, if you ask me.


It is me that wrote that. Since I joined this site on 8/26/13 on occasion I have written some very harsh things but I don't think I ever wrote the H-word about someone before. But that article to me was just dripping with sarcasm and complete utter contempt for us. His language was personal beyond cold business calculation. My God, even Autism Speaks attempts to mask their feelings with "it's autism" that is breaking up marragies etc. I do not remember seeing anything like that in professional blog so I reacted likewise. Rereading the blog I have seen no reason to retract what I wrote.


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20 May 2014, 8:48 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Reading the article I thought that he meant well, that was clueless as to our situation, that he approached the article from neuro mainstream point of view. Since he said he was quitting writing about disabilities I had come to be believe that we had made our point and he had recognized he taken on something that was more complicated then he thought. Because of that I believed it was time to stop, that anymore negative comments would be overkill.

Reading what he blogged in 2012 shows he just hates us.
http://martynemko.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... s.html?m=1
Thanks to Paul Almond for bringing the above to Facebook


Yeah nice catch on the blog from two years back. More evidence that the article wasn't poorly researched, he does in fact have a very distorted negative view of people with autism. He can take all his faux-sympathy and shove it up his pretentious ass.



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20 May 2014, 9:41 am

Aristophanes wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:

Reading the article I thought that he meant well, that was clueless as to our situation, that he approached the article from neuro mainstream point of view. Since he said he was quitting writing about disabilities I had come to be believe that we had made our point and he had recognized he taken on something that was more complicated then he thought. Because of that I believed it was time to stop, that anymore negative comments would be overkill.

Reading what he blogged in 2012 shows he just hates us.
http://martynemko.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... s.html?m=1
Thanks to Paul Almond for bringing the above to Facebook


Yeah nice catch on the blog from two years back. More evidence that the article wasn't poorly researched, he does in fact have a very distorted negative view of people with autism. He can take all his faux-sympathy and shove it up his pretentious ass.


Yes, the man is a bigot. He put his hatred in a veil disguise of wanting to help. At least Stormfront makes no bones about who they are and at least they're in your face.



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20 May 2014, 12:56 pm

How is this article offensive, everything he wrote is right.

Disjointed monologues: check
Many are clumsy, with poor eye-hand coordination: check
They may have such mannerisms as odd posture, arm flapping, and body twisting: check
They can be socially naïve and unable to recognize humor: check
Some have unusual habits, for example, even scavenging through garbage cans to bring home used food scraps: I don't have this one, but I'm sure there are those that do.

And high levels of unemployment? check

The autism is a difference activists are even more annoying than Autism Speaks. These people are trying to re-define the criteria to their view, and use the "it's a spectrum" excuse. If you don't have many of the symptoms and are that mild, are you sure you're even autistic??

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20 May 2014, 1:19 pm

Acedia, it's not that these things aren't true. It is the attitude of the author. The article is not designed to be helpful, but rather to gently mock autistics. In an article for Psychology Today, I would expect more accepting and enlightening insights into the issue.



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20 May 2014, 3:01 pm

Like most life coaches (who are the latest reincarnation of new agers), he has a complete lack - even at moron level - of political awareness. What he experienced was the legitimate anger of an oppressed group. He was incapable of understanding that, and chose to stigmatise and further oppress them with his ignorant and arrogant "I am superior to them because they are different from me" attitudes.

If I had been then I would have been tempted to advise him to take some immediate procreative travel (which is a polite way of telling someone to Fk off!)



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20 May 2014, 6:53 pm

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Like most life coaches (who are the latest reincarnation of new agers), he has a complete lack - even at moron level - of political awareness. What he experienced was the legitimate anger of an oppressed group. He was incapable of understanding that, and chose to stigmatise and further oppress them with his ignorant and arrogant "I am superior to them because they are different from me" attitudes.

If I had been then I would have been tempted to advise him to take some immediate procreative travel (which is a polite way of telling someone to Fk off!)


If you check out his yelp reviews, you'll get a different take: the guy's not just a charlatan, he's a total narcissist with bizarre behaviors. Anyway - the way to handle this one is not by going to Marty, but to the online editor for PT and their editorial board, with a screenshot of Marty's talk about people with disabilities in that blog post, and a polite explanation of how Marty's done many people with ASD a disservice in the PT post but doesn't seem to be able to recognize that. Say you're sure that PT doesn't want to be associated with people who would try to help employers evade ADA, and who'd deliberately avoid helping disabled people find work, and that you would like for them to remove the offending post. If they refuse, the next stop is other journalists, twitter, etc., with the story about how PT is hosting this guy and his startling views on disabled/autistic people.

That blogspot paragraph of his is a little gem, right down to the bit about how ethical he is not to help these people get jobs.