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15 Aug 2021, 1:17 pm
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kraftiekortie wrote:
Autism didn’t cause this guy to murder.
It was something else….probably some sort of psychopathy.
It was something else….probably some sort of psychopathy.
But what if he doesn't meet that diagnostic criteria?
I think people are choosing to overlook that there's a small (but significant) number of young men who go online and slowly get absorbed into communities that unite around a shared special interest; how they're miserable, doomed to romantic failure and it's all everyone else's fault.
No, autism alone isn't making these guys act this way, but the tendency to ruminate on their own failures to the point they're unable to consider more healthy approaches and the echo chambers where they go to discuss their experiences can't be ignored.
No single factor leads to this outcome, but we'd do ourselves a disservice to ignore what appears to be a pretty consistent element. And since it is an element it's better that proposals for how to address it start coming from within because otherwise they'll be imposed by people who don't have sympathy for the ASD community.
I'm not sure if people can really be absorbed into such communities, for example it makes some sick to hear such ideologies or they just dont agree with it and see it differently. I think they have to have some interest in it in the first place. Maybe its like being a lesbian: if you think you can be compelled to like women, you are already gay.
Maybe there is too much drama about his incelness, there's more to a person than being an incel that makes them kill. He didnt have a girlfiend, a dad, and friends either, though the incel label takes the stage. He didnt have an outlet for his emotions, expressing them perhaps in a fruitful way which allows for decompressing of the emotions instead of riling up but the difficulty of expressing emotions is usually true for autistic people.
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15 Aug 2021, 1:48 pm
He also sexually harrassed a 16 y o before getting banned on Reddit.
https://www.insider.com/incel-jake-davison-had-reddit-account-banned-day-before-mass-shooting-2021-8
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16 Aug 2021, 2:52 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Rexi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Autism didn’t cause this guy to murder.
It was something else….probably some sort of psychopathy.
It was something else….probably some sort of psychopathy.
But what if he doesn't meet that diagnostic criteria?
I think people are choosing to overlook that there's a small (but significant) number of young men who go online and slowly get absorbed into communities that unite around a shared special interest; how they're miserable, doomed to romantic failure and it's all everyone else's fault.
No, autism alone isn't making these guys act this way, but the tendency to ruminate on their own failures to the point they're unable to consider more healthy approaches and the echo chambers where they go to discuss their experiences can't be ignored.
No single factor leads to this outcome, but we'd do ourselves a disservice to ignore what appears to be a pretty consistent element. And since it is an element it's better that proposals for how to address it start coming from within because otherwise they'll be imposed by people who don't have sympathy for the ASD community.
I'm not sure if people can really be absorbed into such communities, for example it makes some sick to hear such ideologies or they just dont agree with it and see it differently. I think they have to have some interest in it in the first place. Maybe its like being a lesbian: if you think you can be compelled to like women, you are already gay.
Maybe there is too much drama about his incelness, there's more to a person than being an incel that makes them kill. He didnt have a girlfiend, a dad, and friends either, though the incel label takes the stage. He didnt have an outlet for his emotions, expressing them perhaps in a fruitful way which allows for decompressing of the emotions instead of riling up but the difficulty of expressing emotions is usually true for autistic people.
Luckily most people have good reasons to cringe away from those sorts of groups.
Even lots of people who join them eventually mature beyond them.
That said guys who are fixated on weapons and spend their whole life carrying anger over the slights they feel they've unjustly faced and who tend to struggle to form connections to other people seem to be the ones who fall down this rabbit hole.
This internal stereotype that folks with ASD are incapable of being violent or vicious doesn't serve us well because it leads to being unaware of how badly some young men with ASD need emotional support and guidance to avoid falling into the same trap of terrible attitudes, blaming everyone else and stewing in misanthropic rage.
Hmm, it makes sense now. But peculiar is that some people with ASD interact in interests but cannot connect to people. I have no idea how that happens but i guess some parts that would make that happen are unable to function or depend on variables. For example someone i know on the spectrum [my boyfriend hehe] cant connect with people upon interactions but once my inputted effort to connect with them worked out, they could connect with me too, whilst their inputted effort wasn't fruitful. They refer to the event as it feels natural, could it be that its forced when they try? Could it be this process isnt automatic like for example non automatic social cue reading, I wonder.
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16 Aug 2021, 3:55 pm
Rexi wrote:
Hmm, it makes sense now. But peculiar is that some people with ASD interact in interests but cannot connect to people. I have no idea how that happens but i guess some parts that would make that happen are unable to function or depend on variables. For example someone i know on the spectrum [my boyfriend hehe] cant connect with people upon interactions but once my inputted effort to connect with them worked out, they could connect with me too, whilst their inputted effort wasn't fruitful. They refer to the event as it feels natural, could it be that its forced when they try? Could it be this process isnt automatic like for example non automatic social cue reading, I wonder.
I feel like part of it is that the shared interest gives common ground to begin to form social connections and since a lot of these people do have social needs that they're just very poorly equipped to satisfy meshing with a community and suddenly meeting these needs (to some extent) plays a big role in why some people who usually already nurse some pretty misanthropic viewpoints get drawn so deeply in and don't get repulsed.
(ugh I'm sorry that's such a run-on sentence)
I wonder if it's a matter of the process not being automatic, or if it's just some people stifle the process because they've grown used to rejection. I'd imagine it might well be more complex that either or both.
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16 Aug 2021, 4:26 pm
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MrsPeel wrote:
work on solutions rather than denying the problem?
What kind of realistic solutions are possible though?
This issue could be fixed by a woman alone. If someone goes and voluntarily offers to date 1 incel per day, that site will be full of non incels in as soon as a month. Poly women could date multiple at once. The only issue would be their own preference and whether 1 day count as a date or not. I noticed incels have extremely high standards sometimes, being seen to themselves reject many potential partners for no good reason.
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