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17 Feb 2008, 12:45 pm

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you protest the same things you yourself do. That is called hypocrisy. We don't misunderstand you, we understand you perfectly.
Perhaps others do to, hence it is the 'story of your life'.

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This is getting quite tiresome now. What do you mean "protest the same things you yourself do" because I don't understand how it applies to anything I've said.


like sands through the hourglass, such is the 'story of your life. . . '

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Are you resorting to mumbo jumbo upon realising there is no justification for your sneer comments directed at me. I really should be ignoring such ill-reasoned and goofy stupid comments.



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17 Feb 2008, 12:46 pm

WilsonFisk wrote:
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you protest the same things you yourself do. That is called hypocrisy. We don't misunderstand you, we understand you perfectly.
Perhaps others do to, hence it is the 'story of your life'.

Merle


This is getting quite tiresome now. What do you mean "protest the same things you yourself do" because I don't understand how it applies to anything I've said.


like sands through the hourglass, such is the 'story of your life. . . '

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Are you resorting to mumbo jumbo upon realising there is no justification for your sneer comments directed at me. I really should be ignoring such ill-reasoned and goofy stupid comments.


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17 Feb 2008, 1:36 pm

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That’s quite insulting. I ask an honest question and am accused of being a troll.


You are not asking honest questions, you do not listen to responses but already have your mind made up, you've already set up and planned your attacks.

You are provoking an emotional response and that makes you a troll.



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17 Feb 2008, 1:54 pm

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That’s quite insulting. I ask an honest question and am accused of being a troll.


You are not asking honest questions, you do not listen to responses but already have your mind made up, you've already set up and planned your attacks.

You are provoking an emotional response and that makes you a troll.


Whatever... :roll:



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17 Feb 2008, 2:01 pm

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That’s quite insulting. I ask an honest question and am accused of being a troll.


You are not asking honest questions, you do not listen to responses but already have your mind made up, you've already set up and planned your attacks.

You are provoking an emotional response and that makes you a troll.


Alright, as far as I'm concerned, those things make someone an ass. Not a troll.

And I say things that provoke emotional responses all the time, does that make me a troll?

You provoke an emotional response in me by crying troll. What does that make you?


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17 Feb 2008, 3:05 pm

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They advocate a 'cure' for autism. Supporters say that would be good for autistic people and it would make people's lives easier and because we can't pick on the blacks we'll pick on autistics. Critics say it's a bigoted load of nonsense that would lead to the eradication of a way of thinking.


Man, that's a pretty loaded explanation, comparing them to racists. That's an emotional appeal and means nothing next to the actual fact that Autism Speaks is sending hateful messages and apparently attempting to scare parents into ... something ... in their quest for a cure that may or may not exist.

Anyway, you can't deny that a cure (if such a thing exists, which I won't argue) would indeed make people's lives easier. You may enjoy being on the spectrum—that's fine—but you can hardly deny the difficulties it must cause you. Acceptable difficulty maybe, to you, but maybe someone else doesn't find it acceptable. I'm not interested in a cure myself, but it's not unreasonable to hope that those who want it can someday have it.

I don't mean by this that I support Autism Speaks. In fact, I've flagged the above video as a violation of YouTube's hate speech policy (as it obviously is) with the following note: "This video is demeaning and hateful to autistics and misrepresents the condition with the sole purpose of scaring parents."


You reek of fair and balanced. How do you do it?


What I wish would stop is the idea that this is cure vs. nocure. It ISN'T! "Autism speaks" is NOT helping, can't help, and I don't they are even TRYING to help! They are just bringing in money! Want to cure autism? It will probably happen faster WITHOUT "Autism speaks" because people would be more honest, and less money will be wasted!



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17 Feb 2008, 3:32 pm

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Here's my honest opinion. And if anyone tries to flame me, I'm not about to argue back as is much too early right now.


I'm not going to flame you, you're too nice to do that to. I'm not even opposed to finding a cure for autism. It's just, well...

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I support what Autism Speaks is doing. I think it'd be great if they found a cure for autism. If you guys don't want to take the cure, that's fine. No one is making you. But there are people out there who would love it. Since I'm diagnosed with NVLD rather than being on the autistic spectrum, I guess I don't have anything to worry about. However, for a lot of you on the spectrum, I just have three words: get over it. It's not like they're going to come hunt you down and force you to choose between being cured or getting killed. So if you don't like it, at least try to stop making such a big deal out of it. :roll:


Here's my issue. This is a 30 second video of the vice president of Autism Speaks, and it sounds to me like she would want to force the cure. She also demonizes autism to the point of making it sound like we deserve to die if we don't have a cure. Maybe you haven't seen the video, so maybe you have misconceptions about what the organization is actually about. So, just something to consider. You can have your opinion, but if you haven't seen this maybe you haven't heard the whole story.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NTfZzS9b8[/youtube]


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17 Feb 2008, 4:10 pm

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Well, I've just always had a yearning to do a lot of things that my AS completely cripples me from doing. Especially things that require fine motor skills. I've always been really interested in extreme sports, dirt biking, skate boarding, bmx, etc. I get hurt way too often when I do things like that, I'm just not made for it. So I find it impossible to even work on my motor skills when I'm so afraid of screwing up and getting really hurt (always do).


If you are beyond 21, the supposed cure won't change this because your body has already adopted the fear mentality. You can't overcome that with a snap of the fingers.

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I like to talk. I like to debate. I like to relate. But I can't find anyone to do that with. Would be nice to be a little less awkward.


That's not your fault. That's their fault - again, that won't be overcome with a supposed cure.

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My ability to focus only on narrow interests makes it hard for me to concentrate on anything else. I'm afraid to go back to school, though I really want to.


What are your special interests?

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I just feel like there are many more things I have the desire to do but can't, more than I worry about losing my attention to detail or ability to memorize music in great detail, etc.


I covered some of those desires above, but there are some things you CAN do and not have a supposed cure.

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I know that people can be unique and intelligent, even weirdo's, while still being NT. So I don't really fear becoming some socialite wannabe prom queen or something. I just want to be better able to fulfill all these desires I have to do great things.


Did it occur to you to think that maybe what you are is all you need to do great things? You just haven't found the way yet. But there is one! You're on this planet for a reason. I know what mine is (more or less).



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17 Feb 2008, 4:51 pm

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Alright, as far as I'm concerned, those things make someone an ass. Not a troll.


Krista, he said, rather out of the blue:

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Zarathustra - how come you have so much free time to post on forums? Don't you have a job?


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.... I can appreciate how such folk can be sensitive to criticism given certain views about state leeches



If you say that's just 'being an ass', fine. But it's not an honest question as he claims.

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You provoke an emotional response in me by crying troll.


My - and your - intention is not to provoke an emotional reaction, those commonly seen as trolls do have this intention.



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17 Feb 2008, 5:36 pm

WilsonFisk wrote:
Zwerfbeertje wrote:
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That’s quite insulting. I ask an honest question and am accused of being a troll.


You are not asking honest questions, you do not listen to responses but already have your mind made up, you've already set up and planned your attacks.

You are provoking an emotional response and that makes you a troll.


Whatever... :roll:


look, what ever you THINK you are trying to do, your avatar beats you to it. The perspective is from about 12 inches above the shoes of the large overbearing smoking elite power broker male figure and it is MEANT to intimidate. So when you go on and on about how you are being 'misunderstood' and how you are 'insulted' etc. all we see is your overbearing avatar and your words are useless against the pic.



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17 Feb 2008, 6:15 pm

Obviously his avatar is everything he isn't, powerful, rich, an alpha male [With a girlfriend]...the avatar of a little man, a put-upon little man, that in turn, lashes out with a mean, spiteful, limp-wristed and ineffectual strike. It's late WilsonFisk and I'm going to bed now [With my girlfriend]. Nighty-Night...


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17 Feb 2008, 6:56 pm

I don't want to perpetuate this nonsense so this is my last post in this thread.

I don't quite see what I've done to deserve these sudden silly attacks. In my previous posts I've tried to clarify where I was coming from yet some people insist on assuming what I meant by asking "What do you do for a job? " is as TPLG earlier put it "If you haven't got a job, get one you lazy so and so"!" If I had known the responses to expect I would never have asked that benign question.

Obviously the issue of high post forum users on state benefits is a sensitive one. I didn’t mean to offend users who are on state benefits.



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17 Feb 2008, 6:59 pm

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I don't want to perpetuate this nonsense so this is my last post in this thread.

I don't quite see what I've done to deserve these sudden silly attacks. In my previous posts I've tried to clarify where I was coming from yet some people insist on assuming what I meant by asking "What do you do for a job? " is as TPLG earlier put it "If you haven't got a job, get one you lazy so and so"!" If I had known the responses to expect I would never have asked that benign question.

Obviously the issue of high post forum users on state benefits is a sensitive one. I didn’t mean to offend users who are on state benefits.


how like you to completely ignore the reasons we have been constantly telling you about. . and denying you have anything to do with the reactions you provoke in others!



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18 Feb 2008, 6:21 am

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Obviously the issue of high post forum users on state benefits is a sensitive one. I didn’t mean to offend users who are on state benefits.


I don't know about the others on this thread - especially Zarathustra - but I don't believe you. The context in which you asked your "benign" question smacked of "get a job" arrogance. You can deny that all you want - I for one believe this to be untrue.



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18 Feb 2008, 3:02 pm

Autism Speaks is a great organization that's not just about cure, but about advocating for the rights and services of all on the spectrum. Inadvertantly, some Aspies here may benefit from all of the good they do.

I wish the Asperger community will start its own organization so they won't feel the need to bash all of the Autism organizations out there, because the majority of them do support a cure. If you don't feel Autism Speaks speaks for you, then put your money, time and efforts into an organization that does. Support it and leave the autism organizations to the folks who need what they have to offer.



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18 Feb 2008, 3:41 pm

NPD, the experience of Aspies as individuals is so different that forming such an organisation without it descending into chaos is almost impossible. Just look at the number of arguments that have surfaced in here for example. Aspies for Freedom is another example of this.

Just food for thought - you support an organisation (Autism Speaks) that is pro eugenics?