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24 Mar 2008, 8:14 am

These people that claim to see auras are probably just face recognition/color synesthetes.


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24 Mar 2008, 12:53 pm

I think people tend to miss a point here.

I don't deny that LeKiwi, and others, might perceive auras - in much the same (or even the identical) way that my migraine aura (different meaning) functions.

However, under controlled conditions, there is no correlation between the perceived things and any common reality. I.e. no one else perceives the same things in the same places, plus no measurements match up.

I do think there are some charlatans out there, who can easily fool people into thinking they share a common experience.


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24 Mar 2008, 2:48 pm

I've never tested it or done any reading into it so I couldn't say whether or not what I see is what these so-called 'spiritualist mediums' or whoever it is that 'sees auras' sees. They are very bright and very pretty, and they do seem to change a bit depending on mood (not go from bright red to green or something, just a dark red to a brighter, lighter red, for example), and they're different on different people... dunno if that means anything. I haven't ever given it much thought to be honest!! I'm not synesthetic though unfortunately so I can't put it down to that, and I can recognise faces (even if I can't for the life of me do names), so Odin's theory doesn't stand for me (though I'm sure there are plenty it would do).

I dunno... never really though about it till now, just thought I'd throw it in there though!! :)


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24 Mar 2008, 4:01 pm

Interesting. Why do you say that Odin's theory doesn't stand? Unless you mean that the auras you see are totally unrelated to the particular people. If you just see random colours around things, it might be a chromatic aberration in your eye, I guess. I was assuming that you meant something more cognitive than that.


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24 Mar 2008, 8:58 pm

mikegee wrote:
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I am not a New Age follower but I find the some things interesting.

A women that I don't know very well, told me years ago that I have a purple aura. I know we all have auras, you can even take a picture of it. On one of the other polls most people on this site are Aquarians. Over the past two decades there has been a dramatic increase in people being born on the spectrum, whether it is because of increased awareness or whatever. In the Hindu religion, the aim is to activate the third eye chakra, the purple one. This religion is 1000s of years old. I see a pattern in all of this. Also the Earth will be moving into Acquarius around the year 2012. Is this all a coincidence?

People on the spectrum usually do not use their energy to play mind games with others (being social) - in fact we have trouble trying to do it. We live in our purist form, making great contributions to humanity. This is for me a sensible way for human evolution to be going.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but how can a person invoke auras, 'energy', astrology, and chakras in the same post, while claiming not to be a 'new age follower'?


in defense, i dont think he is "invoking" these things, he merely stated he finds some of these things "interesting" i think there's a big difference between the two words.


Ok. Please reread my post and replace the word 'invoke' with the words 'express belief in'. My point stands.


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25 Mar 2008, 7:46 pm

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yeah, good point. my take on a lot of this new age philosophy is it is a form of creativity in a way, to think about spirituality in a more creative sense, and since it's spirituality, it cant be dis proven, somewhat like faith, it's either you do believe in it, or you dont, or you might, or somewhere in between.


The new age movement has developed into a hybrid between pop occultism and pop psychology.


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25 Mar 2008, 8:22 pm

My sister, who is heavily into alot of this new age stuff, bought this Indigo subject up with me the other day, I have never heard of it before, and had to look it up on wikipedia, it just sounds like a big load crap. There is absolutely no empirical evidence that these children have any mystical powers such as being able to read minds, or see auras, its all a load of bullcrap, I didn't have the heart to tell her what I thought.
Hey I have a brown aura, or is it gas



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25 Mar 2008, 9:08 pm

The empathy part caught my eye. My son (6, LFA) cannot stand to see anyone in pain. A few years back, when a crying pre-school classmate landed in time-out, my son sat beside him and wept. Recently, he's taken to crying whenever he sees those Humane Society ads, the ones with Sarah McLachlan. He doesn't know what's happening, or has happened, with those animals (we certainly haven't told him), yet he took one look and instantly began sobbing.



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25 Mar 2008, 9:35 pm

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There is absolutely no empirical evidence that these children have any mystical powers such as being able to read minds, or see auras, its all a load of bullcrap


IT IS. A LOAD OF HIPPIE SH*T.

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26 Mar 2008, 11:34 am

Ya know neale, I have the same problem with that Humane society commercial. I cry every time i see it. I am talking every time. I'm a theist, so I dont usually adhere to the new agey stuff. I looked up the significance of the color indigo the other day and found something interesting. The color indigo holds a special place with many of the Israeli community. Here's a little of what i found on wikipedia:

According to several rabbinic sages, blue is the color of God’s Glory.[3] Staring at this color aids in meditation, bringing us a glimpse of the “pavement of sapphire, like the very sky for purity,” which is a likeness of the Throne of God.[4]. Many items in the Mishkan, the portable sanctuary in the wilderness, such as the menorah, many of the vessels, and the Ark of the Covenant, were covered with blue cloth when transported from place to place.[5]


A set of tzitzit with blue techelet threadThe Flag of Israel has two blue stripes and a blue Star of David against a white background. An early Zionist poem explains that the color white symbolizes great faith; blue the appearance of the firmament.[6] (The original dark blue stripes were later lightened to heighten visibility at sea.) Because of its association with the State of Israel, blue has become very popular in contemporary Jewish design. Modern tallitot, especially those used by Religious Zionist Jews, often have blue stripes on a white background instead of black stripes common in Haredi communities.

In modern Hebrew “blue-white” (Hebrew: כחול־לבן‎) is used a synonym for “Israeli” as an adjective, especially for local produce (as opposed to imported).

I dont know if it has anything to do with 'Indigo Children' but it is apparently important to many Jews.



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27 Mar 2008, 7:03 pm

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It's new-age BS. It is completely ludicrous and unbacked by both evidence and logic.


Totally agree, F*CK that indigo SH*T!! !


And WTF with the alien Kryon?!
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The idea of Indigo children was later popularized by the 1998 book The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived, written by the husband-and-wife team of Lee Carroll and Jan Tober.[3] Carroll insists that the concept was obtained via conversations with a "Master angelic energy" he calls Kryon.

WTF?!


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27 Mar 2008, 10:19 pm

lau wrote:
I think people tend to miss a point here.

I don't deny that LeKiwi, and others, might perceive auras - in much the same (or even the identical) way that my migraine aura (different meaning) functions.

However, under controlled conditions, there is no correlation between the perceived things and any common reality. I.e. no one else perceives the same things in the same places, plus no measurements match up.

I do think there are some charlatans out there, who can easily fool people into thinking they share a common experience.


That's why I think it's synesthesia.


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27 Mar 2008, 10:32 pm

Given the principle of parsimony, or Ockham's razor, the simplest explanations for observed phenomena should be preferred over more complicated ones. The indigo and crystal children constructs clearly violate this widely accepted scientific rule. There are much more basic explanations for Asperger's autism and for ADHD which do not require any metaphysical leaps of faith.


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28 Mar 2008, 11:14 am

This "indigo children" thing is complete and utter bullsh!t.
Any time Jenny McCarthy thinks something can "cure" her son of autism or label her son differently, it should be critically examined for fallacy.


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28 Mar 2008, 11:26 am

Odin wrote:
lau wrote:
I think people tend to miss a point here.

I don't deny that LeKiwi, and others, might perceive auras - in much the same (or even the identical) way that my migraine aura (different meaning) functions.

However, under controlled conditions, there is no correlation between the perceived things and any common reality. I.e. no one else perceives the same things in the same places, plus no measurements match up.

I do think there are some charlatans out there, who can easily fool people into thinking they share a common experience.


That's why I think it's synesthesia.


I'm not synesthetic though (but it would so cool if I was!! :D ). I just always put it down to dodgy eyes - I have astigmatism pretty badly, can't see any detail in anything without my glasses on/lenses in. The 'auras' are always brighter and stronger with the glasses on though which I guess is the opposite of what you'd expect if it's to do with blurring of colours etc?? Hmmm.


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28 Mar 2008, 12:28 pm

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... The 'auras' are always brighter and stronger with the glasses on though which I guess is the opposite of what you'd expect if it's to do with blurring of colours etc?? Hmmm.

Nope. Exactly what I would expect. The more lenses light travels through, with no attempt to correct chromatic aberration, the more the colours will become separated. This is not blurring (lack of focus). Edges become light shows.


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