Grrrr, vaccine ARE connected with autism. >.< That's a

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It's not toxic at the levels used.

Really.

Right. So, it's fine to inject - and remember, this isn't one dose we're talking about, this is multiple doses over and over again, up to 28 times in 2 years while the immune system isn't yet developed and able to defend itself against this crap - bovine tissues, formeldehyde, aluminium, aborted fetal cells, egg proteins, monkey fetal tissues, mercury, etc etc into a small child and expect their immune system to deal with that??

It's criminal. The body is not designed to cope with that, specially not 28 times in the first months when - and I repeat - the immune system isn't there to deal with it. All of those things are known to be either carcinogenic, neurotoxic, or extremely allergenic. Why would you do that, knowing what's in them?

I maintain - immunisation is criminal. Like rubbing mercury into wounds or giving cocaine to babies in the 18th and 19th century is looked back on with equal parts wonder and horror these days, give it another 100 years and we'll be doing the same with these cocktails of poison.

I agree it should be criminal. I think children should be protected from this toxic crap. I think there are much better, safer ways to defend against these rare diseases that vaccines are supposed to protect against. The Amish don't vaccinate and I don't hear of them getting diptheria, pertussis, measles, or any of the other rare diseases. I think one of the biggest problems with vaccines is stealth viruses from the African monkey tissues they use to make vaccines. Monkeys have many viruses that can't be tested easily that may transfer to humans and cause chronic diseases. You already know about SV40. This one organization at http://www.ccid.org/clinical.htm links stealth viruses from African green monkey tissues used in vaccines to chronic fatigue syndrome and autoimmune disorders. I read an article recently that the Amish don't get autoimmune disorders.

LeKiwi if it was as toxic as you claim it is - we would have multitudes of deaths amongst children and the elderly in particular.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't wash. For example - thiomersal per vaccine was 1.25 micrograms (from memory per the Cedillo case). That is 0.00000125 of a gram! For it to be toxic you'd need how many vaccinations?

Like all tools - vaccines are safe when used correctly and properly. In the case of Hannah Poling they were not (no doctor in their right mind would give five vaccinations on the trot!)

Not necessarily. We have millions of deaths each year from various neurological illnesses and cancers that didn't exist a century ago - in this day and age we're so obsessed with what happens in the here and now that people don't think about long-term consequences. They may not cause much damage right away, but who knows what they can do later down the line? I'm not saying they're the sole cause of these things, but when you add them to environmental and hereditary factors the picture grows a little bleaker...

Look at this table and see exactly what is in them!!

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf

The Amish are among the most heavily vaccinated people in America, because vaccines are one of the very few modern things they can use. I have no idea why people think they wouldnt get vaccinated.

I think you need to get your information from a more reliable source.

I know the Amish community that lives next to me is ok with vaccines. But there are a thousand different Amish communties, and they all have different practices. The Pennsylvanian ones tend to be high-tech compared to other Amish groups, and they turn up at local hospitals every once in a while if something really bad happens or one of their kids has a genetic disorder--those guys are REALLY inbred.

Baratos is correct.

The Amish in PA have no problems with vaccines and the only ones who don't vaccinate are EXTREMELY conservative. Don't believe me, zendell?

Go to Lancaster County.

Why do you say this as if you believe, in direct opposition to ALL science, that anyone's autism was induced by the vaccines?

All scientific evidence shows that genetic factors cause autism, therefore, if you are autistic now, then you were autistic BEFORE the vaccine.



So home school your kids. You'll have better control over the ignorance that gets pumped into their heads that way. Nobody cares.

Because it isn't in direct opposition to all science at all, and the facts point to not all autism being caused by genetic factors at all. Sure, the majority probably is - I know mine is hereditary - but that doesn't help those who have been damaged or maimed by vaccinations. Them admitting that this girl's autism was vaccine-induced is a huge victory for all those campaigning for (official) recognition of that fact and to warn others of the dangers, regardless of what government and corporate spin-doctors would like the public to believe.

I suppose you regard Dan Olmsted as a reliable source?

And you are over reacting something chronic to those figures! Cancer has been around longer than vaccines as have genuine neurological illnesses (such as dementia). These things you have a go at are leading to LONGER LIVES! Are you calling that a bad thing?

I'm having really big trouble taking you seriously, Le Kiwi!

I don't think you would enjoy finding out what is actually in most of our food and drinking water.

We consume toxins all the time, in times and in places where we have no idea that we are doing so. Do I think it may contribute to many modern health problems? Yes, but it is difficult to narrow down. And if you were to put it all together, the toxins in vaccines would be a very small percentage of the toxins the average baby is exposed to in his first few years. It is, simply, the most measurable and obvious.

You know what freaked me out? When a local family was tested for all sorts of chemicals that are not normally looked for. What was the most shockingly prevalent in all of their systems, including the infant's? Fire retardant. Way beyond levels considered safe, and obviously leeching from sources that must have been assumed not to leech. I read that article and remembered my infant son chewing on all his PJ's, blankets, and whatever he could find. How could no one have come to the conclusion that children were ingesting way too much of this stuff?

Studies have shown that the risks from immunization - which are real and are know - are less than the risks from leaving the population unprotected. It is a statistical equation, no more and no less. Do I think every parent should enter into the process understanding that? Absolutely. There are risks. But I made the decision that the flip side was worse, on a national level, and took that risk.

I do think there is an environmental component to the cormids of AS, but I don't think they can be pinpointed to one source. If I had to pick one for my son, I would go with the fire retardant I am sure he consumed. The core of the condition is genetic, I am sure of that, but the difference I see between my Aspie father, Aspie husband, and Aspie son is that my son is far more affected by stims and physical factors than either from the earlier generations (not that either my father or husband have been diagnosed, but it fits).

In the end, it is natural for all of us to reach conclusions in large based on our personal experience, analysis and instinct, because in a world of information overload, it is very difficult to know what sources to trust, and what sources not to. My instinct says that science disputing mercury as related to autism is correct, it all fits, it all makes sense. But my instinct also says that something (or multiple somethings) is out there that is making life for our children more difficult than it genetically needs to be. It could be as simple as living in an overstimulating world, or it could be found in the chemical overload we all experience in a normal day, but separating that out isn't easy.

There may be some still out there, but they are not used in CA. The STATE outlawed them years ago, and autism has continued to rise steadily within this state despite that.

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Well said, DW!